can a potion of a spell with "range personal" and "target you" (like divine favor or false life) be crafted and consumed by someone else?
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It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures or objects.So, potions of Mage Armor are kosher. Potions of Shield are not.
For those I recquire brewing Elixirs with Craft Wondrous Item, roughly at double the potion price.
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can a potion of a spell with "range personal" and "target you" (like divine favor or false life) be crafted and consumed by someone else?
There's no such thing as personal range potion according to the rules. Totally illegal without house rules.
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Since nobody has quoted it yet:
The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.
Interestingly enough, there's nothing stopping you from making potions with a target of "you," just so long as they don't have a range of "personal." This is occasionally useful.
Can you give me an example? A quick flick through the search function didn't find anything useful.
Blakmane: Not that many really useful spells that I've found, I just think the fact that the range doesn't matter at all definitely makes it less restrictive.
The best use for this is a Potion of Nereid's Grace, which is a nice spell that happens to have a range of touch and a target of you. Probably and editing error, but there has to be something to make up for all those disappointed Pathfinder players who wanted their Potions of Glibness.
If Mythic Brew Potion exists, this quirk also opens up options like a Potion of Shadow Step or a Potion of Dispel Evil. But in my opinion, neither of those is as good as Nereid's Grace. Seriously, for a high Charisma character, this is probably the best first level defensive buff potion in the game. And it's a deflection bonuses, so it stacks with the Charisma bonus from things like the oracle revelation.
The easiest way to find more potions where this is useful is to look for spells with a target of "you or x" or "you and x," where x is something that doesn't really apply for a potion but stops the spell from having a range of personal.
Nereid's grace is still the only one I could find that is useful. There ar ea bunch of 'you and X' spells but, considering that you lose the X, they were all basically worthless (mind link etc).
Thing about nereid's grace specifically is that it is only brewable by undine witches and druids. I guess if you are playing a setting where those are easy to find (or you waive the race requirement) it becomes great -- otherwise I can't imagine it ever seeing the light of day. You would also need glamered armour, and the round/level duration makes it not so fantastic anymore. Still a good find though!
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Allowing custom elixirs like that seems bad to me for a number of reasons. First, Craft Wondrous Item is already one of the best item creation feats - allowing it to trample all over another item creation feat's territory elevates it even more. Second, the restriction on personal spells is there for a reason. Third, most elixirs don't actually duplicate spell effects, they do other things.
Obviously do as you wish in your home games but I would not allow that custom item in mine.
Since nobody has quoted it yet:
The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.
exactly the clarification i needed. thank you, sir.
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Allowing custom elixirs like that seems bad to me for a number of reasons. First, Craft Wondrous Item is already one of the best item creation feats - allowing it to trample all over another item creation feat's territory elevates it even more. Second, the restriction on personal spells is there for a reason. Third, most elixirs don't actually duplicate spell effects, they do other things.
Obviously do as you wish in your home games but I would not allow that custom item in mine.
Meh, even James Jacobs recommends the wondrous item elixir route. But like you said, each GM has the discretion to do what they wish.
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Meh, even James Jacobs recommends the wondrous item elixir route. But like you said, each GM has the discretion to do what they wish.Citation?
Of course, now that I need to find it, I can't find it. It's in the Rise of the Runelords thread somewhere (or perhaps in the monstrous "Ask JJ Anything" thread). I'll keep hunting it down.
Essentially, it was brought up that one of the NPCs had a potion for a spell that couldn't be made into a potion (had a range of "personal"), to which he basically responded by saying to just make it a wondrous item.
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Meh, even James Jacobs recommends the wondrous item elixir route. But like you said, each GM has the discretion to do what they wish.Citation?Of course, now that I need to find it, I can't find it. It's in the Rise of the Runelords thread somewhere (or perhaps in the monstrous "Ask JJ Anything" thread). I'll keep hunting it down.
Essentially, it was brought up that one of the NPCs had a potion for a spell that couldn't be made into a potion (had a range of "personal"), to which he basically responded by saying to just make it a wondrous item.
From what I recall, he said exactly the opposite when asked.
It is a bad idea to have craft wondrous items substitute for brew potion.It is possible that I am misremembering and SKR was the one saying that.
Blakmane: Not that many really useful spells that I've found
Nereid's grace is still the only one I could find that is useful.
Really? There's a stack of range "Personal" spells that are useful and can't be made into potions. Now some of these are too high level to be made into a potion, but many aren't.
Two biggies are True Strike and Shield!
Here's more:
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You completely missed the point of my post. Reread it and realise i'm talking about target:you spells without a range of personal that CAN be made into potions.
None of your listed spells are applicable.
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There is one way to do it, actually, and that is having an alchemist with the proper feats and discoveries make an extract that can be used by anyone.That particular loophole will probably be errataed out in a future printing of the APG.
I doubt it. It is working as intended.
The key point is if an infused extract will last 24 hours or indefinitely. If the latter is true giving away an infused extract is very dangerous as they will block a infusion slot until they are used, if the former it true selling 24 hours potions is an industry.|
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You completely missed the point of my post. Reread it and realise i'm talking about target:you spells without a range of personal that CAN be made into potions.
I'd argue that's not true. Yes the rules for crafting potions fail to make that distinction. However, the rules for what potions may be state that they can only replicate spells that target one or more creatures. While one might argue that "you" count as a creature, I'm arguing that "you" and "one or more creatures" count as very distinct rules concepts from a meta perspective.
It's pedantic, I know, but that's why I'd disagree with you.