How do i calculate the challenge rating of my mount / animal compaion / familiar?

[Tigerkralle]

I want to take the aasimar feat "Celestial Servant" for my aasimar cavalier.

This feat gives my mount who is practically an animal companion the celestial template.

My problem:
This template gives also a spell resistance equal to new CR +5.

So how do i calculate the CR of my familiar, animal companion or mount?

By the way this feat is legal for PFS and i plan to take this feat for my Pathfinder Society aasimar character and there i really don't want to speak with five GMs and get five different ways to do this. ;)

PS:
I am not a native speaker in english.

[Nefreet]

This has never been answered officially, but the best guess last I heard was to use your effective Druid level as the CR of your Animal Companion.

[Pirate Rob]

While not an official rules source I see no reason not to use JJs take. (make sure to read to his next post on the topic.)

"So, yeah. Your character level = your CR for the purposes of determining a celestial companion's SR."

[LazarX]

Tigerkralle wrote:

I want to take the aasimar feat "Celestial Servant" for my aasimar cavalier.

This feat gives my mount who is practically an animal companion the celestial template.

My problem:
This template gives also a spell resistance equal to new CR +5.

So how do i calculate the CR of my familiar, animal companion or mount?

By the way this feat is legal for PFS and i plan to take this feat for my Pathfinder Society aasimar character and there i really don't want to speak with five GMs and get five different ways to do this. ;)

PS:
I am not a native speaker in english.

Your animal companion is part of YOUR CR, since it's a class feature. You would not assign it a separate CR for the encounter nor would you raise the CR of the creature's master, as again, it's a class feature.

[Tigerkralle]

Who says that the CR of my cavalier will be raised?

The CR from creatures with the celestial template only raised up if my mount has 5 hit dice and more otherwise the new SR is CR +0. ;)

So that means in Pathfinder Society my mount for my cavalier has a SR which is 1 (one) point lesser than in a non-PFS campaign beginning from level 5 onward an keeps all the cool stuff? Fascinating O.o

But it still feels odd to just take my effective druid level.

[LazarX]

Tigerkralle wrote:

Who says that the CR of my cavalier will be raised?

CR is only relevant in gauging encounters, and companions by their nature will virtually always be accompanied by their masters.

[Jeff Merola]

LazarX wrote:

Tigerkralle wrote:

Who says that the CR of my cavalier will be raised?

CR is only relevant in gauging encounters, and companions by their nature will virtually always be accompanied by their masters.

It's also relevant in that the Celestial template uses it to determine SR, and you can (very easily) get a Celestial animal companion. Which is what this thread is about.

[Tigerkralle]

Jeff Merola wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Tigerkralle wrote:

Who says that the CR of my cavalier will be raised?

CR is only relevant in gauging encounters, and companions by their nature will virtually always be accompanied by their masters.

It's also relevant in that the Celestial template uses it to determine SR, and you can (very easily) get a Celestial animal companion. Which is what this thread is about.

Yeah the only thing i want to know is HOW do i calculate the tiny spell resistance of my celestial animal mount for my Aasimar cavalier. :)

And for that i need to know the CR of this mount because it gets a SR equals the CR +5 that is ridiculous low but since my mount/animal companion/or familiar is able to participate in a combat and the NPC can try to cast a spell on it the caster has to do the check if SR applies to the spell.

*whispers* I can always hope for a natural 1 on the d20 of the GM. ;)

[Jeff Merola]

Nat 1 doesn't autofail against spell resistance, nor does a nat 20 autopass.

[Donald Coyote]

I would say determine its CR as a monster of its type, either animal or magical beast, with its HD based on your class level.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterCreation.html#table-1-2- creature-hit-dice

[Tigerkralle]

Donald Coyote wrote:

I would say determine its CR as a monster of its type, either animal or magical beast, with its HD based on your class level.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterCreation.html#table-1-2- creature-hit-dice

This was the suggestion of the GM that i first ask this question. Then i would say it is a magical beast because with this feat it is a magical beast only the owner who picked this feat can handle it like it is an animal.

What i get if i use this suggestion:
For animal
CR 1 -> SR 6 Level 1
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 3 -> SR SR 8
CR 5 -> SR SR 10 Level 5 animal companion has 5HD template adds +1 to CR
CR 5 -> SR SR 10
CR 5 -> SR SR 10
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 7 -> SR SR 12 Level 10
CR 7 -> SR SR 12
CR 8 -> SR SR 13

For magical beast
CR 1 -> SR 6 Level 1
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 3 -> SR SR 8
CR 5 -> SR SR 10 Level 5 animal companion has 5HD template adds +1 to CR
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 7 -> SR SR 12
CR 8 -> SR SR 13 Level 10
CR 8 -> SR SR 13
CR 9 -> SR SR 14

I think this really represents the threat of my loyal animal or magical beast.

But if i use the first thing that the majority of you suggest it looks like this:
CR 1 -> SR 6 Level 1
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 3 -> SR 8
CR 4 -> SR SR 9
CR 6 -> SR SR 11 Level 5 animal companion has 5HD template adds +1 to CR
CR 7 -> SR SR 12
CR 8 -> SR SR 13
CR 9 -> SR SR 14
CR 10 -> SR SR 15
CR 11 -> SR SR 16 Level 10
CR 12 -> SR SR 17
CR 13 -> SR SR 18

Okay let us say we ignore the +1 on the CR because it is PFS and my mount/animal companion cannot have a CR above my PC:
CR 1 -> SR 6 Level 1
CR 2 -> SR 7
CR 3 -> SR 8
CR 4 -> SR SR 9
CR 5 -> SR SR 10 Level 5 animal companion has 5HD template adds +1 to CR
CR 6 -> SR SR 11
CR 7 -> SR SR 12
CR 8 -> SR SR 13
CR 9 -> SR SR 14
CR 10 -> SR SR 15 Level 10
CR 11 -> SR SR 16
CR 12 -> SR SR 17

I am still not really convienced that this was intended. But if the majority of the PFS GMs out there thinking that this it is then i live with it.

Sorry for weird grammar but i am not a native speaker in English.