Today I saw a post for Black Friday Sales at CoolStuffInc:
It is only 24 USD.
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/200498
Unbelievable!!!
In Germany I paid 59 Euro for the SS Base Set which is 75 USD. So that is triple!!!
I am a lit bit upset... Why it is so expensive in Germany? According too the current price loss it looks like to many games were produced or in other words the sales numbers are not as anticipated.
That makes me feel bad as I paid too much for it....
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Well, it does cost something to ship products from one country to another. In addition, there is often the risk of currency fluctuation between the euro and dollar that a distributor undertakes. If payment is due on delivery, and the dollar has risen against the euro between the time when a contract was inked and the product delivered to the distributor, input costs have risen. This can be hedged with FX derivatives, but that in itself requires costly expertise.
In short: you are paying exactly what it's worth to incentivize someone other than yourself to undertake the trouble of bringing the game to your doorstep from thousands of miles away. It would cost more to fly to the U.S. and import it yourself, so you're still getting a good deal.
Plus that is a Black Friday sale. You will always be able to look at Black Friday sale stuff and say "But I paid more for that!" That is the basic idea of Black Friday.
Cool Stuff's model is already to pretty much sell stuff pretty cheap. So when they put something on sale it can be really, really cheap. A few days ago they had the character mats on sale, then yesterday they had the adventure mat on sale.
I'm not sure if you got your base set from Paizo, but Paizo never guarantees they will be the cheapest option. In fact, they have to be careful since they sell their own products. They can't undercut retailers who are also selling them. That is why the offer the promo cards and other incentives for subscribing.
Today I saw a post for Black Friday Sales at CoolStuffInc:
It is only 24 USD.http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/200498
Unbelievable!!!
In Germany I paid 59 Euro for the SS Base Set which is 75 USD. So that is triple!!!
I am a lit bit upset... Why it is so expensive in Germany? According too the current price loss it looks like to many games were produced or in other words the sales numbers are not as anticipated.
That makes me feel bad as I paid too much for it....
That is Black Friday in the US. I bought presents for the kids last night for half price. New items.... It's an American phenomenon uses to increase sales to end the 4th quarter. You should not think it reflects some sort of decreasing popularity for the product.
How about Free-Promo-Tuesday?
How about Free-Promo-Tuesday?
Just for subscribers ... Every PACGsubscriber gets a random promo for free ;-)
Could also be a cool christmas gift ;-)
It was a very good deal. Convinced me to pick up the S&S base set, character add-on, adventure decks 2 & 3 for around US$64 shipped.
It was a very good deal. Convinced me to pick up the S&S base set, character add-on, adventure decks 2 & 3 for around US$64 shipped.
I paid for the mentioned package 135 USD... So more than double...
Do you think in your package the promos are included?
There is no way to know. Any retailer (Except perhaps Amazon, whom I asked one time if they received promos.) might get promos, but they won't get the same number of promos as they have products. So the only way to be sure you'll get the promos is to subscribe.
This person bought from Cool Stuff, and did NOT get a promo.
Paizo does offer something that, as an international subscriber you might want to consider. For both RotR and S&S, they did not actually associate any promos with the Base Set for subscribers, all of that month's promos were associated with the Character Add-on Deck. And they allowed people to start a subscription with the character add-on deck. That means, you could cancel your subscription after deck 6, then re-subscribe but skip the Base Set and start with the Character Add-on Deck. You'd get all the promos, and could purchase the Base Set at a more reasonable price.
For those shipping international, that might be something to really consider.
I'm pretty sure I won't get the promos from CSI, but I'm fine with that. I'm not much of a completionist.
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There is no way to know. Any retailer (Except perhaps Amazon, whom I asked one time if they received promos.) might get promos, but they won't get the same number of promos as they have products. So the only way to be sure you'll get the promos is to subscribe.
My friend was buying RotR adventure decks from CSI. He got the promos most of the time. But one deck he got none. You can't guarantee that you'll get the right promos from a retailer.
Also, S&S decks have more than one promo with each deck. Not sure you'll get that with CSI.
You definitely won't get the Blessing of Zogmugot promo, as it is a subscriber exclusive and is not given to retailers.
But if you are like SystemIsDown and aren't a completionist, then a store from CSI might be a better fit for you. And Paizo is fine with that. They've said numerous times that you should purchase where it makes the most sense for you, and they know that isn't always them.
There is no way to know. Any retailer (Except perhaps Amazon, whom I asked one time if they received promos.) might get promos, but they won't get the same number of promos as they have products. So the only way to be sure you'll get the promos is to subscribe.
This person bought from Cool Stuff, and did NOT get a promo.
Paizo does offer something that, as an international subscriber you might want to consider. For both RotR and S&S, they did not actually associate any promos with the Base Set for subscribers, all of that month's promos were associated with the Character Add-on Deck. And they allowed people to start a subscription with the character add-on deck. That means, you could cancel your subscription after deck 6, then re-subscribe but skip the Base Set and start with the Character Add-on Deck. You'd get all the promos, and could purchase the Base Set at a more reasonable price.
For those shipping international, that might be something to really consider.
I did that, resubscribe with the addon...
In Germany, I have to pay additional 20% VAT... This makes any US order expensive.Paizo could compensate this with additional promos IMO.... Cool idea, right?
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I did that, resubscribe with the addon...
In Germany, I have to pay additional 20% VAT... This makes any US order expensive.
Paizo could compensate this with additional promos IMO.... Cool idea, right?
Not really. You choose to use the subscription service and while I understand that it costs more for you, it also costs more for us. Plus, I haven't even gotten mine yet (latest deck) even though I'm a subscriber. It is part of being a subscriber; we get the promos but it won't be the cheapest or fastest.
But you have the advantage of being US based... VAT of 20 % is pretty someting... As some sort of compensation, an additional promo cards (one more copy e.g.) would be very welcome for international customers....
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I'm not disagreeing with you that 20% is definitely more to deal with. What I'm saying is that the subscription is a choice even though you probably have cheaper sources for the game. And in the US, we also have cheaper and faster sources for the game. But both of us chose Paizo's subscription to get the game. Do I think you as an international customer deserve an extra promo because of that?
No.
I bought my base set at the local game shop in Frankfurt. At that time, amazon.de was sold out due to too many preorders they got. So i choose to support the local game shop with the 59 Euro purchase. Then I started the subscription again with the addon pack.
With RotR there was only one blessing of zarongel (promo card) connected to one expansion pack. So i had to order 5 times that expansion pack to get a full set of promo blessings (blessings in the game are always of quantity 5). This was quite a good marketing idea from Paizo... Since then I got my 5-tmes (quintiple) subscription running which is at around 100 USD per month including shipping fees to Germany. Finally, on top of that 20% VAT is added by German customs because the value of the parcel is beyond 25 Euro (incl. Shipm.). So ording only ONE subscription is adding NO VAT bonus.
Also in anderen Worten, jap ich samele die Promokarten... 5 Stück pro Karte, daher beisse ich in den saueren VAT-Apfel...
@klaus: hast du auch eine subscription am laufen? Woher kommst du? Stadt in Deutschland? Brauchst du deine Promokarte ;-)???
Agreed. It sucks that you have to pay such a high VAT, but that's not connected to Paizo even remotely. It's like me asking Dodge to give a bonus to my car because my state has high registration fees.
Yes, agreed. No one controls where you live, what hobbies or games you enjoy, your income level, etc. They offer you a choice to buy their product (and how many of said product). You choose, or don't choose. The resulting price and associated taxes, etc. are therefore a result of your choice and your responsibility. Just like the rest of us.
That wasn't a marketing idea, you aren't supposed to use more than one of each promo in a game, so having 5 wasn't necessary. You chose to do that, Paizo didn't make you, any extreme costs you paid to do that is on you.
Well you agree that 5 blessing of zarongel are recommended ... Because it is a blessing.
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That wasn't a marketing idea, you aren't supposed to use more than one of each promo in a game, so having 5 wasn't necessary. You chose to do that, Paizo didn't make you, any extreme costs you paid to do that is on you.Well you agree that 5 blessing of zarongel are recommended ... Because it is a blessing.
No, I don't agree. In fact, the usual reason for having 5 of each type is the recharge for matching the top blessings discard, and that power doesn't even exist for Zogmugut. Having 5 of that makes even less sense as there is no benefit to it other than saying "Oh, I have more".
Also, see Hawkmoon's post. 1 of each promo is the recommended count for the game, including Zogmugut. In Organized Play, it's not a recommendation, you can't use more than 1.
No. 1 of each is the recommended amount, including the blessing.
No no no...
Blessing of zogmugot is being supplied NOW five times! So you may assume that the same applies to the blessing of zarongel...
This would lead me to assume the opposite. It is your game, so do with it what you want. I can see the reasoning for wanting 5 blessings, especially of Zarongel. But there was no marketing ploy to make anyone buy multiple copies of any single deck in order to get 5.
The fact that subscribers will be getting multiples of Zogmurt isn't because they are endorsing you using multiples. It is because they wanted to make up for the delay and Zogmurt is the most exclusive blessing, since only subscribers can get it.
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No. 1 of each is the recommended amount, including the blessing.No no no...
Blessing of zogmugot is being supplied NOW five times! So you may assume that the same applies to the blessing of zarongel...
It is your game to play, Myfly. But just because they ship more than one promo does not mean that you should be putting them all into the set. The FAQ states they recommend only one. Organized Play has a rule of only one. But you can put more into your own home game.
We play RotR with five blessings of Zarongel because we didn't realize the rule was only one. As it turns out, this makes Sajan overpowered. Our Sajan player has 3 Erastils and 3 Zarongels. (He doesn't want to give them up, so it's too late for us to turn back now.)
This would lead me to assume the opposite. It is your game, so do with it what you want. I can see the reasoning for wanting 5 blessings, especially of Zarongel. But there was no marketing ploy to make anyone buy multiple copies of any single deck in order to get 5.
The fact that subscribers will be getting multiples of Zogmurt isn't because they are endorsing you using multiples. It is because they wanted to make up for the delay and Zogmurt is the most exclusive blessing, since only subscribers can get it.
There is some reason why they come up with 5 blessings of zogmugot... As every other blessing is available in quantity 5.
Hopefully, they will carry this over to WotR...
We play RotR with five blessings of Zarongel because we didn't realize the rule was only one. As it turns out, this makes Sajan overpowered. Our Sajan player has 3 Erastils and 3 Zarongels. (He doesn't want to give them up, so it's too late for us to turn back now.)
We didnt used the zarongel blessing in our character decks, but it was 5 times in the blessings pile.
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This would lead me to assume the opposite. It is your game, so do with it what you want. I can see the reasoning for wanting 5 blessings, especially of Zarongel. But there was no marketing ploy to make anyone buy multiple copies of any single deck in order to get 5.
The fact that subscribers will be getting multiples of Zogmurt isn't because they are endorsing you using multiples. It is because they wanted to make up for the delay and Zogmurt is the most exclusive blessing, since only subscribers can get it.
There is some reason why they come up with 5 blessings of zogmugot... As every other blessing is available in quantity 5.
Hopefully, they will carry this over to WotR...
Because they wanted to do something to make it up to us. Blessings made the most sense to own multiples of, and it'd take too much time to set up a brand new promo to make up for the problems. Regardless of how you may feel, it's a fact, not opinion, that they've said one of each promo and have never said otherwise. Personal opinion doesn't change that no matter how much you may want it to.
It's not going to carry over to WotR. The only reason it's happening now is because there were a lot of problems regarding the release of Skull & Shackles and the Class Decks. If everything goes well with WotR, there isn't going to be anything to make up to us and there is no reason to give us multiple copies of promos again.
Dear PAIZO,
Please continue for WotR your current PROMO strategy supplying one blessing with each adventure pack, so you will get with a PACG subscription a complete set of 5 blessings...
Thanks from the PF community.
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Dear PAIZO,
Please continue for WotR your current PROMO strategy supplying one blessing with each adventure pack, so you will get with a PACG subscription a complete set of 5 blessings...
Thanks from the PF community.
Dear Mr. Myfly,
Please don't automatically assume that your ideas represent the PACG or the PF community's. Your ideas have a tendency to rub some of us the wrong way. I think it is because you also have a tendency to ignore our links to rules, FAQs and other official sources. While you have a lot of enthusiasm, it would be a greater benefit if you actually paid attention to the information we've been giving you so you better understand the rest of the community here on the messageboards.
Thanks from Theryon Stormrune
A brusque posting style is often a function of a non-native English speaker, too.
I have no idea if that's a factor, but it's worth bearing in mind, imo.
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Yes, we do understand that but there are reasons that Paizo's staff gives us guidance and information. And we use that to help others and to support each other. Just trying to let Myfly understand that these rules and FAQs are part of the game we all love to play. So if he wants to talk for the "PF community" then he needs to understand that these things are important and shouldn't be ignored just because he thinks so.
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Sure. I was responding to your view that MyFly has a "tendency to rub some of us the wrong way" not to the intention of the designers, nor to whether any individual should speak for anyone other than themselves. If it wasnt helpful, my apologies for distracting.
My default position in situations like this is to just listen to Hawkmoon269 - I've found it saves time.
The FAQ says,
How many of each promo card can I have?
We recommend one of each promo card per box.
So "recommend" not "limit"....
Of course Paizo cant say, please purchase 5 of the same RotR adventure pack to obtain 5 blessings of zarongel to be usable for game play. This will upset a few gamers...
Now with SS every subscriber will get 5 blessings automatically, there is some room for change...
Yes, i am a non-native speaker. However, i like to provoke a little bit as a few gamers are a little bit too conservative when it comes to changes and new ideas...
Why not 5 blessings again for WotR? I doesnt cost you a penny...
I tried.
It is so painful... Cyber monday!!!!
Each class deck is 7.99 USD on coolstuffinc.com
I am getting insane!
Well, do you just want them or do you want to get into organized play? Are there any stores near you that have organized play for PACG?
No OP stores near me, but we play the scenarios on our own as some extra bonus with another party based on the class decks...
Hell yeah...
At which price did you theryon bought the class decks?
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I bought my first set at 20% off list price at GenCon last year because I wanted them right away.
My second set of class decks were $13.99 USD each. That was the standard prices at miniature market. Again, I wanted them fairly quickly along with the Ultrapro play mat.
If I needed another set of class decks, I'd probably go with CSI if they're at 7.99 USD. But isn't the import tax and shipping pretty high?