Dwarven boulder helmet melee attack


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Scarab Sages

Unclear based on the wording, does the melee attack strike while mounted to my PC's head, or does the PC wield the helmet in one hand, as it is a one-handed exotic melee weapon?

Thanks, and hopefully this is a simple one.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:

Unclear based on the wording, does the melee attack strike while mounted to my PC's head, or does the PC wield the helmet in one hand, as it is a one-handed exotic melee weapon?

Thanks, and hopefully this is a simple one.

On the head. It is referred to as a one-handed weapon to show how much effort it takes to attack with, for things such as two-weapon fighting, or anything that refers to weapon type.

Scarab Sages

Thanks.

Sczarni

It's actually a light weapon, not one-handed.

(the distinction matters)

Scarab Sages

Are there two handed light weapons? I was under the impression that light weapons was a subset of one-handed.

Sczarni

Take a look at the weapon charts. You'll see that weapons are classified as either light, one-handed, or two-handed (and the Boulder Helmet is a light weapon).

There is no such thing as a two-handed light weapon (or a one-handed light weapon, for that matter).

Pathfinder deviated from D&D's "weapon sizes" and created categories to define whether a weapon is appropriately sized for its wielder.

For example, a Human finds an Ogre's Dagger. The Dagger is a light weapon for the Ogre, but when the Human tries to wield it, he/she treats it as a one-handed weapon (with a -2 penalty).

If the Ogre instead had a Longsword, and the Human tried to wield it, it would be treated as a two-handed weapon (same penalty).

If the Ogre instead had a Greatsword, the Human could not wield it at all.

Likewise, a Halfling's Dagger is too small for a Human to wield.

But a Halfling's Longsword could be wielded as a light weapon by a Human.

And a Halfling's Greatsword could be wielded as a one-handed weapon.


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And with Body Bludgeon Human Barbarian can wield Halfling as two-handed weapon!

Scarab Sages

Thanks for the above.

As a follow up, if I have a dwarven boulder helmet, can I fight with two weapons while also having a shield equipped?

I mean, if it's head mounted, I do have two limbs free....

Sczarni

Sure thing.

Just as anyone can Kick/Kick while holding a barrel.

Scarab Sages

On a funny side note, Dwarven Boulder Helmet, Tower Shield, and Chain mail equals 100% arcane spell failure...

More seriously, can you wear the dwarven boulder helmet without proficiency? Which effects are retained?

Grand Lodge

It is a weapon.

You suffer a penalty to attacks with it, using it without proficiency, but other than that, no feature of the helmet requires proficiency.

Some weapons have features that can only be used with proficiency, but those are listed in the description explicitly.

In fact, all weapons can be used without proficiency.

Well, except Bastard Swords.

They are an exception, wrapped in an exception, that isn't listed anywhere, except in some FAQ(stealth Errata), and they morph, depending on how you hold them.

So, yeah.

Screw bastard swords.

Scarab Sages

blackbloodtroll wrote:

It is a weapon.

You suffer a penalty to attacks with it, using it without proficiency, but other than that, no feature of the helmet requires proficiency.

Some weapons have features that can only be used with proficiency, but those are listed in the description explicitly.

In fact, all weapons can be used without proficiency.

Well, except Bastard Swords.

They are an exception, wrapped in an exception, that isn't listed anywhere, except in some FAQ(stealth Errata), and they morph, depending on how you hold them.

So, yeah.

Screw bastard swords.

Well, it has defensive bonuses which shouldn't be affected by the lack of proficiency with a "weapon." I'm tempted to take one on every non-arcane character I make, just because of that +2 AC against critical confirms. As I read it, shouldn't take any penalties for equipping, but not attacking with, any untrained weapon.

Given that pathfinder seems to lack rules for regular helmets...

Sczarni

The reason most people don't wear the Boulder Helmet is because it takes up the head slot.

+2 AC vs. Critical Hit confirmations isn't as spiffy as wearing a Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier, for example.

Scarab Sages

Nefreet wrote:

The reason most people don't wear the Boulder Helmet is because it takes up the head slot.

+2 AC vs. Critical Hit confirmations isn't as spiffy as wearing a Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier, for example.

Your example helmet costs 5000 gold. The Dwarven boulder helmet costs 20 gold.

I agree, at higher levels I'm going to want that head slot free, but at low levels, I really benefit from the dwarven boulder helmet, provided the 20% arcane spell failure and 10 lbs of weight doesn't impair my character.

There's also a 3-feat string of dwarf racial feats that get pretty good bonuses with helmets equipped.


Nefreet wrote:

The reason most people don't wear the Boulder Helmet is because it takes up the head slot.

+2 AC vs. Critical Hit confirmations isn't as spiffy as wearing a Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier, for example.

No reason you can't enchant it to work like a Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier. It's being a weapon doesn't stop it from being a helmet.

Now if you mean enchanting it as a weapon OR a wonderous weapon, you could always add the Jingasa for +50% (2500gp extra) along with the weapon enchants. Anyway, most use the helmets as backup weapons so they don'r match the cost of main weapons anyway.

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