Who Needs the Feat, Mount or Rider?

[Gronk de'Morcaine]

In this particular case, it won’t matter because the cavalier will be giving the teamwork feat to the entire opposition group.

But for the future if I have some mounted guys that are trying to use the teamwork feats for coordinating movements like cavalry formation and coordinated charge, does the mount, the rider, or both need the feat?

[LazarX]

You DO need to specify which feats you're talking about. I would say that from what you're talking about, it sounds like Rider feats.

[claudekennilol]

It depends on the feat.

[Gronk de'Morcaine]

In the second paragraph.
Cavalry formation and coordinated charge

[Tarantula]

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Cavalry Formation (Combat, Teamwork)

You are skilled at riding in close formation with your mounted allies without impeding your effectiveness on the battlefield.

Prerequisite: Mounted Combat.

Benefit: You and your mount can overlap the space of mounts whose riders have this feat, although no more than two creatures can share any one square. Further, you can charge through a space containing an allied mount if that mount's rider has this feat, although the space from which you make your charge attack must comply with this feat's other benefit or be unoccupied.

Clearly Rider.

Quote:

Coordinated Charge (Combat, Teamwork)

You are an expert at leading your allies into the fray.

Prerequisites: You have at least two other teamwork feats, base attack bonus +10.

Benefit: When an ally with this feat charges a creature that is no further away from you than your speed, you can, as an immediate action, charge that creature. You must be able to follow all of the normal charge rules.

This could benefit either rider or mount. And in fact mount would be more likely because if you are on a mount, you don't make a charge action, your mount does. Good luck meeting the pre-reqs though.

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If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).

[Jeff Merola]

Tarantula wrote:

This could benefit either rider or mount. And in fact mount would be more likely because if you are on a mount, you don't make a charge action, your mount does. Good luck meeting the pre-reqs though.

Actually, that is incorrect, per the March 26, 2014 FAQ ruling on the subject.

[Tarantula]

Sure would be nice if they would update the PRD with that since it will be in future errata.

In that case, in order to benefit from coordinated charge, both rider and mount would have to have the feat since both are making charge actions out of normal initiative.

[Gronk de'Morcaine]

Dang. That makes a bunch of these nearly impossible to use for anyone but a cavalier that bestow it on the mount.

[claudekennilol]

Or a hunter with a horse (or other mount) companion. At lvl 3 they automatically grant their animal companion any teamwork feat they know.

[StephenH]

The Horsemaster's Saddle from ultimate equipment grants all your teamwork feats to your mount. That is a great way to make the immediate-action charge feat work from horseback.

(That said, I think that same item might have interesting/overpowered implications for some of the other teamwork feats involving adjacent allies...)