Returning++

[blahpers]

Greetings!

So, the returning weapon property makes a weapon return just before the thrower's next turn. Naturally, this is terrible for anyone wanting to throw iteratively.

Then there's the blinkback belt, which solves this problem for the general case of throwing weapons so long as the bearer has Quick Draw and keeps those weapons stowed on the belt.

Questions:

1. Are there any specific magic weapons that support iterative throws without a blinkback belt and Quick Draw?

2. If one were to price such a weapon, what would be a good price? I could upper-bound it by simply adding 1.5 times the cost of a slotless blinkback belt, but that doesn't account for the price of bypassing the Quick Draw requirement. I'd even consider pricing it by effective enhancement bonus, but the existence of the blinkback belt makes me think this would be overkill.

Thoughts?

[Bandw2]

a spell Warrior Skald can sing his weapons the returning property. up to 5...

[Revan]

I see no good reason whatsoever not to just make returning support iteratives. You're paying for a weapon with a minimum effective enhancement bonus of +2 so you can do what an archer can do just by picking up a bow.

[boring7]

Second what Revan said.

And if the DM says no "because rules" you could always remind him or her that Blinkback Belt + throwing shield + quickdraw = infinity ranged attacks each round, so maybe the rules aren't the only gauge of what's reasonable.

[Cyrad]

My favorite "fix" for throwing weapons has been a pair of bracers that work similar to an amulet of mighty fists, except it applies to all thrown weapons.

I'm not really a fan of a solution that lets you full-attack thrown weapons and instantly get them back because it takes away some of the flavor of the combat style. There's other ways to make a build non-punishing without resorting to homogenzing it into the optimal case.

[Zhayne]

Revan wrote:

I see no good reason whatsoever not to just make returning support iteratives. You're paying for a weapon with a minimum effective enhancement bonus of +2 so you can do what an archer can do just by picking up a bow.

This. So much this.

Heck, wouldn't be much of a thing to just say magical thrown weapons just DO that.

[Amanuensis]

Cyrad makes a very good suggestion. Compared to the amulet of mighty fists, you would have the additional advantage of being able to use weapons of different materials (cold iron, silver, adamantine), but I wouldn't price it differently.

It is one of those items you would expect to exist already, but that is nowhere to be found. I am very passionate about thrown weapons and equally disappointed that there are so few options for this fighting style in Pathfinder (until ACG gave us the flying blade, there wasn't even a thrown weapon master archetype).

[boring7]

Make a homebrew feat that acts kinda-sorta like pummeling style? Each successful "hit" increases the damage of the thrown weapon? If you're worried about DR just make Clustered Shot a prerequisite.

Technically you could also use Vital Strike, but it's not very good.