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Usual Suspect wrote:We are talking about magic rituals. I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or notxavier c wrote:Is there something wrong with male virginity in fantasy. as all of these rituals in fantasy seem to talking a female virgin sacrifice?How do you confirm male virginity? If your sacrifice requires an adult virgin, you'd better make sure the sacrifice is a virgin. Its a sad point, but its an honest one. Searching through us geeky awkward guys takes time, and a lot of Zone of Truth spells.
Though to be honest not every woman that is physically intact is chaste , pure, and virginal. It's just more likely and you don't need to cast any spells to shrink the selection pool.
That's why it's such an issue. The demon will know, so the worshippers had better make sure they get it right.

selunatic2397 |
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I did the switch myself last session...the group went off to save the old cliche...virgin from dragon...
Rescued an hog tied male wood elf sorcerer...the looks of "what the hay??" made it all worthwhile.
The group's female mage was particularly effective in both her spells and roleplay...on a whim I had the captive related to nobility.
Yup, she rescued the handsome prince!

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xavier c wrote:Usual Suspect wrote:We are talking about magic rituals. I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or notxavier c wrote:Is there something wrong with male virginity in fantasy. as all of these rituals in fantasy seem to talking a female virgin sacrifice?How do you confirm male virginity? If your sacrifice requires an adult virgin, you'd better make sure the sacrifice is a virgin. Its a sad point, but its an honest one. Searching through us geeky awkward guys takes time, and a lot of Zone of Truth spells.
Though to be honest not every woman that is physically intact is chaste , pure, and virginal. It's just more likely and you don't need to cast any spells to shrink the selection pool.
That's why it's such an issue. The demon will know, so the worshippers had better make sure they get it right.
Actually, the whole hymen thing is a profoundly unreliable way to tell anything about a woman's sexual history (meaning, in most cases, that it's no more possible to physically determine a woman's virginity than a man's), so going around assaulting young women isn't going to ensure your demon buddy is happy.
So, you know, you're better off just zone of truthing your intended victim, male or female.

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xavier c wrote:I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or not?
Special Abilities
*1/day - detect virginity
No. The ritual just doesn't work then there's hell to pay.

Lemartes |

JoeJ wrote:xavier c wrote:Usual Suspect wrote:We are talking about magic rituals. I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or notxavier c wrote:Is there something wrong with male virginity in fantasy. as all of these rituals in fantasy seem to talking a female virgin sacrifice?How do you confirm male virginity? If your sacrifice requires an adult virgin, you'd better make sure the sacrifice is a virgin. Its a sad point, but its an honest one. Searching through us geeky awkward guys takes time, and a lot of Zone of Truth spells.
Though to be honest not every woman that is physically intact is chaste , pure, and virginal. It's just more likely and you don't need to cast any spells to shrink the selection pool.
That's why it's such an issue. The demon will know, so the worshippers had better make sure they get it right.
Actually, the whole hymen thing is a profoundly unreliable way to tell anything about a woman's sexual history (meaning, in most cases, that it's no more possible to physically determine a woman's virginity than a man's), so going around assaulting young women isn't going to ensure your demon buddy is happy.
So, you know, you're better off just zone of truthing your intended victim, male or female.
Most houses have more than one door.

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The terms "maiden" and "virgin" are often used interchangeably but remember that strictly speaking a maiden is simply a young and/or unmarried woman. In many cultures this implied virginity but it's not required by definition.
There's no good reason to equate virginity with a pure heart. I have no particular issue with virginity being associated with some form of magical purity (as long as it applies equally to male and female virgins) but it has nothing to do with your heart or morality. Virgins can be evil or just petty-minded and promiscuity doesn't make you immoral.
This made me think of a really funny Angel episode. Where the group had to protect a guys daughter. When they find out it was so she could be sacrificed. Her virginity was a vital component to the ritual and was a good way to set the normal trope on its head.

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Usual Suspect wrote:We are talking about magic rituals. I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or notxavier c wrote:Is there something wrong with male virginity in fantasy. as all of these rituals in fantasy seem to talking a female virgin sacrifice?How do you confirm male virginity? If your sacrifice requires an adult virgin, you'd better make sure the sacrifice is a virgin. Its a sad point, but its an honest one. Searching through us geeky awkward guys takes time, and a lot of Zone of Truth spells.
Though to be honest not every woman that is physically intact is chaste , pure, and virginal. It's just more likely and you don't need to cast any spells to shrink the selection pool.
The demon might, but the cultist preparing the sacrifice in advance might not. Thus the sacrifice might be rejected without the cultist knowing why.

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JoeJ wrote:xavier c wrote:Usual Suspect wrote:We are talking about magic rituals. I think the demon would know if the male was a virgin or notxavier c wrote:Is there something wrong with male virginity in fantasy. as all of these rituals in fantasy seem to talking a female virgin sacrifice?How do you confirm male virginity? If your sacrifice requires an adult virgin, you'd better make sure the sacrifice is a virgin. Its a sad point, but its an honest one. Searching through us geeky awkward guys takes time, and a lot of Zone of Truth spells.
Though to be honest not every woman that is physically intact is chaste , pure, and virginal. It's just more likely and you don't need to cast any spells to shrink the selection pool.
That's why it's such an issue. The demon will know, so the worshippers had better make sure they get it right.
Actually, the whole hymen thing is a profoundly unreliable way to tell anything about a woman's sexual history (meaning, in most cases, that it's no more possible to physically determine a woman's virginity than a man's), so going around assaulting young women isn't going to ensure your demon buddy is happy.
So, you know, you're better off just zone of truthing your intended victim, male or female.
This is true if your cultists can cast Zone of Truth; and the intended sacrifice isn't a good liar (makes their save). But it also wouldn't change the fact that sociopathic murdering cultists might not care. In fact much of society today doesn't seem to care that the presence of absence of an intact hymen really is a poor way to judge virginity or virtue. Too many people still conflate the two. That's why plastic surgeons make a crap load of money "restoring" virginity.

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The concept of virgin = good was part of the sex-negative, women-as-property (because only a FEMALE virgin counts) social paradigm.
You're partly right here.
But remember, the same culture worked by repressing sex in both genders, and there are plenty of examples where chastity in male warriors was a vaunted attribute. Persival of Arthurian legend is a fair example.
Of course, just because it wasn't entirely limited to one gender doesn't mean it wasn't/isn't as reprehensible as you make it out to be.

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Removed a few more posts. While you may not be alluding to a joke about rape, understand that it is incredibly easy to interpret it this way. We have a zero tolerance policy both for the misuse of the word "rape" and rape jokes on our messageboards. Let's keep it out of this conversation which is clearly seeking mechanical advice.