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Today in an unrelated meeting I learned that there are actually two bugs which can in fact create a "rollback"-esque effect.
I can't get too technical (because I haven't done the deep dive required to know all the details) but essentially what can happen is that when a character has been in two different hexes served by two different physical servers, under some circumstances data from the "old" server can overwrite data from the "new" server.
The team thinks they have found and fixed one of these bugs. The other is proving more elusive and they're not sure its fixed yet but they're working on it.
So just in the interest of transparency and keeping the record clean, yes, there is in fact a "rollback" bug in the game right now.
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all your rollback are belong us :D
Well knowing you actually have a problem is the first step to solving it, so kudos on that at least.
The other issue that needs to be addressed before EE is the problem where these weird server conflicts mean a character cannot be logged in at all until the next reset.
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Here's our takeaway from this:
RYAN DANCEY LIED TO US ARRRRGH
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So just in the interest of transparency and keeping the record clean, yes, there is in fact a "rollback" bug in the game right now.
Have I ever mentioned that there are few things that impress me more than when someone is willing to publicly admit they're wrong? Yeah, I thought I had...
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Ah suck it voices in my head! See we aren't crazy!
Any assurances on how XP gain is saved? While rollbacks on position, items, and feats bought is annoying, loosing XP will be the deal breaker for many.
It doesn't seem like the rollbacks hit Total Cumulative XP, but some assurance there would help heading into EE.
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Ah suck it voices in my head! See we aren't crazy!
Any assurances on how XP gain is saved? While rollbacks on position, items, and feats bought is annoying, loosing XP will be the deal breaker for many.
It doesn't seem like the rollbacks hit Total Cumulative XP, but some assurance there would help heading into EE.
To me, the continued existence of an XP-eating bug would be the most solid reason to delay EE.
Ah suck it voices in my head! See we aren't crazy!
Any assurances on how XP gain is saved? While rollbacks on position, items, and feats bought is annoying, loosing XP will be the deal breaker for many.
It doesn't seem like the rollbacks hit Total Cumulative XP, but some assurance there would help heading into EE.
You know I have never had my exp eaten, personally. If I get a rollback, then it just means I get to respend any spent exp.
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As I understand it, XP isn't actually acrrued. We just take your character's starting timestamp and compute its XP, less whatever Feats you've trained. So barring some kind of unfixable database corruption that affects the record of the start timestamp, you can't lose XP.
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As I understand it, XP isn't actually acrrued. We just take your character's starting timestamp and compute its XP, less whatever Feats you've trained. So barring some kind of unfixable database corruption that affects the record of the start timestamp, you can't lose XP.
Sooo ... what happens when you change the XP requirements of a feat ??
There must be more to it than that - as otherwise crafters would have had negative XP when you suddenly doubled the crafting requirements.
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As I understand it, XP isn't actually acrrued. We just take your character's starting timestamp and compute its XP, less whatever Feats you've trained. So barring some kind of unfixable database corruption that affects the record of the start timestamp, you can't lose XP.Sooo ... what happens when you change the XP requirements of a feat ??
There must be more to it than that - as otherwise crafters would have had negative XP when you suddenly doubled the crafting requirements.
Unless the more expensive versions aren't the same object in the database, just two objects that have the same attributes other than price.
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As I understand it, XP isn't actually acrrued. We just take your character's starting timestamp and compute its XP, less whatever Feats you've trained. So barring some kind of unfixable database corruption that affects the record of the start timestamp, you can't lose XP.
Most excellent. That's how I was hoping the system worked. As long as there is a timestamp all should be good.
@Xeen that bow or leather thing sounds like a reproducible bug. I'll make sure Robert knows about it tomorrow and we may contact you to investigate further.
A new guy I have been showing the ropes lost some +1 Footpads after the server maintanence Wednesday morning. His other stuff in the que just moved up to replace it. Fortunately I was feeding him the refined mats so it wasn't a big deal; but sounds similar to what Xeen is describing. Haven't noticed my bows disappearing from the que, but maybe they are.
As I understand it, XP isn't actually acrrued. We just take your character's starting timestamp and compute its XP, less whatever Feats you've trained. So barring some kind of unfixable database corruption that affects the record of the start timestamp, you can't lose XP.Most excellent. That's how I was hoping the system worked. As long as there is a timestamp all should be good.
I think this is also how they are able to backlog so easily. Just afix a new character with the correct time stamp.
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@Xeen that bow or leather thing sounds like a reproducible bug. I'll make sure Robert knows about it tomorrow and we may contact you to investigate further.A new guy I have been showing the ropes lost some +1 Footpads after the server maintanence Wednesday morning. His other stuff in the que just moved up to replace it. Fortunately I was feeding him the refined mats so it wasn't a big deal; but sounds similar to what Xeen is describing. Haven't noticed my bows disappearing from the que, but maybe they are.
Here is an interesting story.
Yesterday about 3 or 4 hours after reset I put two Pot Plate +2 in the queue. Because I am now working out of TK rather than a settlement they were going to take about 4 hours each to make.
When I logged in about 10 hours later to transfer them to another character I found I had teleported from TK to a hex just south of Rathglen. Now usually relogging fixes teleports but in this case it did not help.
I then went to Rathglen and checked and the armor had disappeared from the queue, the mats were also gone and there was no sign of the +2 armor.
As its Alpha and I can churn out +2 plate by the dozen and it was only about 50 each of coal and iron to make the two sets I was not to worried at the loss. Plus i was short of coal and Rathglen has plenty so all in all it was no great hastle.
Here is the funky bit:
Shortly after checking the crafting queue the character desynched completely. When I tried to relog the game would not let me back in. I could log in my alt characters on the same account but not this one.
So, I waited for reset and today successfully logged in the faulty character about 3 hours after reset. When I logged in I was still at Rathglen however I was now in possession of two extra +2 pot Plate. The reset had somehow left me teleported to Rathglen but gave me back the missing items from the craft queue.
The roll back bug I am seeing now... Other than skills not completing.
When I queue up a bow or leather, they disappear later on. I can complete swords axes and armor, but any bow or leather sheet I have attempted to make in the last few days is gone.
I loaded up a Shortbow+1 last night and it is still there now, waiting in line.
I loaded up a Shortbow+1 last night and it is still there now, waiting in line.The roll back bug I am seeing now... Other than skills not completing.
When I queue up a bow or leather, they disappear later on. I can complete swords axes and armor, but any bow or leather sheet I have attempted to make in the last few days is gone.
My bow completed just fine, so I either did not meet all the criteria Xeen has been coming across in his crafting, or it is not an "all the time" sort of bug.
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I was making a long bow +1 for one of the low level guys. I finally got a bow, but it took 3 days.
I stayed online while it was crafting.
The other 2 times, I put it in the queue and did not log back in for 20 hours or so. I also had other things like Basic Hide Sheet +2 disappear as well.
The one that succeeded was a Long Bow +2. I have made many Long Bow +3's but that was before the stress test.
Of note, it was a bow with mixed parts. I used several +0 parts and a +3 part.