So I sat down and started making a swashbuckler today. I hadn't really given the class much of a look till now and when I came across the opportune parry and riposte deed it got me thinking. I'd never considered attacks of opportunity as an action economy currency to do anything other than attack when a threatened opponent provokes.
So are other abilities or feats in the game that allow one to "spend" an attack of opportunity to do a thing?
If so what are they?
Thanks in advance.
- Torger
Trip Trip Trip Trip Trip Trip
Sure any combat maneuver that can be done as an attack, knew that one, but thanks for bringing it up ^_^
- Torger
Bodyguard comes to mind.
Awesome, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.
Anybody know if there's more out there?
- Torger
Deflect Arrows is my favorite.
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Deflect Arrows is my favorite.
To my knowledge Deflect Arrows
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/deflect-arrows-combat
doesn't require the expenditure of an attack of opportunity to use.
- Torger
Snake fang off snake style lets you make an unarmed AoO for every attack that misses you. As a side benefit, snake style also makes your unarmed attacks do piercing damage, so all the swashbuckler stuff should work with them.
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I think he is looking for other things that can be done when an AoO is triggered, instead of just a plain vanilla attack, or the equivalent combat maneuvers (trip, disarm and sunder).
Stand Still, I think, falls into that arena.
Step Up, while it doesn't, itself, trigger from AoOs, is the start of a chain that denies your opponent an opportunity to NOT provoke.
You might also want to look into some of the Halfling feats and traits that benefit someone else with your AoO. Helpful, IIRC, makes your friend get a +4 instead of the normal +2.
There are a couple of feats that let you use an AoO to do actions like a partial Aid Another.
Always remember, though, if you find yourself with the need for multiple AoOs, or at least more chances to take them, that you will want Combat Reflexes, or the equivalent (Magus (Kensai), IIRC, gets extra AoOs from their Int mod at a certain level)..
Remember feat chains that synergize well, and can give you extra AoO opportunities, too, like Greater Trip and Vicious Stomp, when you trip someone, everyone (including yourself) who threatens them gets an AoO from Greater Trip, and, if you are adjacent, you get another AoO from Vicious Stomp when they land prone at your feet.
Add in high crit weapons, and I think there is a teamwork feat (Opportunist or some such) that gives you an AoO if your partner crits.
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Trip Trip Trip Trip Trip TripSure any combat maneuver that can be done as an attack, knew that one, but thanks for bringing it up ^_^
- Torger
I get a little Trip-Happy here and there.
Also, if you happen to have a couple levels in Flowing Monk, or happen to be one entirely, with your successful AoO's(cmb or attack) you can actually force them Flat-Footed if they don't pass the reflex save.
Stand Still is a great one, but does only activate if an opponent tries to move out of or through your threatened area.
I think he is looking for other things that can be done when an AoO is triggered, instead of just a plain vanilla attack, or the equivalent combat maneuvers (trip, disarm and sunder).
Not really. What I'm looking for are options that treat your number of attacks of opportunity as a recourse to do things when an enemy hasn't provoked.
For instance a swashbucklers opportune parry and riposte allows you to attempt to parry an attack by expending n attack of opportunity and then allows you to attack if the parry is successful.
The bodyguard feat allows you to spend an attack of opportunity to aid another defensively when they are attacked.
So I suppose I could have been more clear in my initial post. I want options to make use of my pool of attacks of opportunity (Combat Relfexes is definitely part of the build) that take provoking out of the equation.
Neither am I looking for more ways to make an opponent provoke. Although I recognize their utility in such a build.
Regardless I appreciate the helpful spirit in which these options have been brought up.
- Torger
Deflect Arrows is my favorite.
To my knowledge Deflect Arrows
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/deflect-arrows-combat
doesn't require the expenditure of an attack of opportunity to use.
- Torger
Was at work. Couldn't look it up.
We use 3PP and there is an "improved deflect arrows" that lets you deflect additional arrows by blowing AoO. As I tend to always get that one with a character that has deflect arrows, they sort of got merged in my mind.
My mistake.
One trick I want to try is: grapple someone (probably a caster,) provoking an AoO from his staff (or the dagger that a wizard carries around to be more "threatening".) Then parry the AoO and riposte. Gives you an attack as well as making the grapple attempt. (Of course, hopefully your GM doesn't metagame and decide not to take the AoO.)
I think he is looking for other things that can be done when an AoO is triggered, instead of just a plain vanilla attack, or the equivalent combat maneuvers (trip, disarm and sunder).
Not really. What I'm looking for are options that treat your number of attacks of opportunity as a recourse to do things when an enemy hasn't provoked.
For instance a swashbucklers opportune parry and riposte allows you to attempt to parry an attack by expending n attack of opportunity and then allows you to attack if the parry is successful.
The bodyguard feat allows you to spend an attack of opportunity to aid another defensively when they are attacked.
So I suppose I could have been more clear in my initial post. I want options to make use of my pool of attacks of opportunity (Combat Relfexes is definitely part of the build) that take provoking out of the equation.
Neither am I looking for more ways to make an opponent provoke. Although I recognize their utility in such a build.
Regardless I appreciate the helpful spirit in which these options have been brought up.
- Torger
I kind of figured, which is why I brought up snake fang. If you opportune riposte and parry, if you are successfull then the attack misses. If you still have 1 panache point unspent, then you can as an immediate action (not aoo) make an attack on them.
With snake fang, because parry makes them "miss" you get an aoo with your unarmed strike, and you can still make another attack with your immediate action from the parry and riposte.
The other option you could do is panther style, and provoke via movement, parry and riposte their AoO, and use panther claw to get a free unarmed strike on them.
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One trick I want to try is: grapple someone (probably a caster,) provoking an AoO from his staff (or the dagger that a wizard carries around to be more "threatening".) Then parry the AoO and riposte. Gives you an attack as well as making the grapple attempt. (Of course, hopefully your GM doesn't metagame and decide not to take the AoO.)
I'd run it like Panther Style. You get your trick once per combat but then smart foes won't fall for your provoking. Animal intelligence and lower will though.
One trick I want to try is: grapple someone (probably a caster,) provoking an AoO from his staff (or the dagger that a wizard carries around to be more "threatening".) Then parry the AoO and riposte. Gives you an attack as well as making the grapple attempt. (Of course, hopefully your GM doesn't metagame and decide not to take the AoO.)I'd run it like Panther Style. You get your trick once per combat but then smart foes won't fall for your provoking. Animal intelligence and lower will though.
Yup, it will only work once per combat. But a solid hit from a swash should knock a wizard down to about 50% HP so it's worth it.
I kind of figured, which is why I brought up snake fang. If you opportune riposte and parry, if you are successfull then the attack misses. If you still have 1 panache point unspent, then you can as an immediate action (not aoo) make an attack on them.With snake fang, because parry makes them "miss" you get an aoo with your unarmed strike, and you can still make another attack with your immediate action from the parry and riposte.
The other option you could do is panther style, and provoke via movement, parry and riposte their AoO, and use panther claw to get a free unarmed strike on them.
Huh, ok, that's really interesting, was planning on offhanding a buckler for this character (kinda non negotiable due to the mini I wanna use), but that does present some super attractive options for other characters down the road.
Thanks for the input
- Torger
Now that the conversation has turned to Snake Style, Opportune Parry and Riposte, and Panther Style, I feel compelled to once again shamelessly plug... The Porcupine!
(Because how else will your 3rd-level character get three attacks during his move action?)