Hi guys.
Seems like i can't find an answer about a doubt i've concernin the Greater Feint feat.
Greater Feint (Combat)
You are skilled at making foes overreact to your attacks.
Prerequisites: Combat Expertise, Improved Feint, base attack bonus +6, Int 13.
Benefit: Whenever you use feint to cause an opponent to lose his Dexterity bonus, he loses that bonus until the beginning of your next turn, in addition to losing his Dexterity bonus against your next attack.
Normal: A creature you feint loses its Dexterity bonus against your next attack.
Assuming that this is just an enhancement of the feint ability, so that it only works for the feinter and not for every one in the party who strike the feinted enemy.
Assuming it only denies the Dexterity bonus to AC and not all the Dexterity Bonuses.
I'd like to know if, after succesfuly feint someone, i can take advantage of the loss of his Dexterity to AC even striking him with a spell (touch melee or ranged touch).
I'm in doubt because the Feint ability says:
If successful, the next melee attack you make against the target does not allow him to use his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). This attack must be made on or before your next turn.
I think that even with Greater Feint only with a melee attack i can ignore the Dexterity bonus to AC. Still i can't find a proper answer.
Thanks in advance.
Here's a previous thread about the Greater Feint feat:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qifj?Greater-Feint
I agree with your interpretation of the rules and with the fact that Greater Feint is just an improvement of the Feint action, so that it would deny only the Dex bonus to AC and only for the feinter.
Concerning the Melee-Attack issue i think it can work with a Melee Touch Attack, but not with a Ranged one.
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The act of casting a spell, however, does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage. Your opponent's AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.
Touch Attacks are basically the same as attacks made with a weapon (and that's why you'll need Precise Shot if you focus on Ranged Touch Attacks).
Wait for further advice.
D.D.
Concerning the Melee-Attack issue i think it can work with a Melee Touch Attack, but not with a Ranged one.
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The act of casting a spell, however, does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage. Your opponent's AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.Touch Attacks are basically the same as attacks made with a weapon (and that's why you'll need Precise Shot if you focus on Ranged Touch Attacks).
Wait for further advice.
D.D.
Thank you very much.
Assuming that this is just an enhancement of the feint ability, so that it only works for the feinter and not for every one in the party who strike the feinted enemy.
Are you sure it does remove the bonus only for the feinter? As far as i'm reading the feat, i'm quite sure it is designated to remove the Dexterity bonus to AC (i agree that it doesen't remove the DEX bonus to everyting) for everyone and ALSO for the next attack of the feinter.
See this [url=http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qifj&page=last?Greater-Feint]thread where it is discussed with no conclusion.
If this is for PFS I would suggest you only take the feat if you okay with the more conservative interpretation (ie. that they target of greater Feint is only denied dex to AC versus you). If this is for a home game ask you GM how they interpret the feat and proceed from there.
See this [url=http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qifj&page=last?Greater-Feint]thread where it is discussed with no conclusion.
If this is for PFS I would suggest you only take the feat if you okay with the more conservative interpretation (ie. that they target of greater Feint is only denied dex to AC versus you). If this is for a home game ask you GM how they interpret the feat and proceed from there.
Thansk i'll talk it throught with my DM.