Best ways to make opponents shaken?

[Charon's Little Helper]

So - I've been playing around with a TWF ninja build based around Shatter Defenses. (and please - no complaints about the weakness of the class or TWF with it)

The problem is - I'm having trouble coming up with a good way to keep my opponents shaken consistently without spending too many actions. The only way I've come up with thus far is to combo Taunt with Cornugon Smash. But that'll cost another 3 feats, and Shatter Defenses is already costing several feats, not to mention finesse & TWF. Plus I wasn't planning to put my strength high enough for power attack.

Of course - I could always just try to convince someone else to take Cornugon Smash, but I may try to make this a PFS character, so I can't consistently rely upon anyone else

Anyone else have any good ideas to be able to demorilize consistently without burning actions? Even a level or two dip might be viable.

[Brad McDowell]

Half Orc gets the +2 to intimidate, of course.
2 levels of Order of the Cockatrice Cavalier gets you a standard action Dazzling Display (Dazzling Display is usually a full round action).

All I got off the top of my head. Will be checking in, as I'm interested in the final build.

[Nicos]

THere is the enforcer feat, and to have a familiar who intimidate for you. Not thinking they are helpful here though.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Nicos wrote:

THere is the enforcer feat, and to have a familiar who intimidate for you. Not thinking they are helpful here though.

I thought of enforcer - but with everything that's immune to nonlethal damage it seems a bit limited considering all of the feats required for shatter defenses.

[Charon's Little Helper]

The closest I've found is Demoralizing Lash - which would allow me to easily keep someone demoralized after I initially demoralize them if I TWF with nunchucks or dip into sohei monk to flurry a sansetsukon. But it's Hobgoblin only. *tear*

[Nicos]

What level is your ninja? can you retrain things?

[Charon's Little Helper]

Nicos wrote:

What level is your ninja? can you retrain things?

I haven't built him yet. I'm just brainstorming at this point.

[Neal Litherland]

Charon's Little Helper,

If you're willing to be flexible on the ninja, check out the Thug variant of the rogue.

Also, I've got some helpful hints in my Bullyboy build.

Hope this provides some assistance!

[Create Mr. Pitt]

Not stirred?

[Rynjin]

Shocking Bellow, new Feat from the Monster Codex. Requires Intimidating Prowess, and lets you Demoralize as a Free action in the Surprise round.

If you were a Thug Rogue (...this is the only time I will ever nsuggest Rogue over Ninja) you could make that duration last several rounds.

So basically, you sneaky stealth your way into combat and yell BOO! and people are scared.

[RumpinRufus]

Is there really that much that's immune to nonlethal but not immune to fear effects?

Blade of Mercy + Enforcer is a good combo. If you're playing PFS, doing nonlethal will be hugely helpful as well.

[Duncan7291]

Ok...I'll say it, because well...it needs to be said.

Couldnt you just shake them?

(P.S. Blade of mercy/enforcer is really good)

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

Intimidate
Dazzling Display
Blistering Invective

(although the latter two are just new and improved ways to Intimidate)

Antipaladins have a Shaken Cruelty they can apply.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Yeah - I forgot about Blade of Mercy. I'll probably just go with that, despite the full combo not working a decent chunk of the time.

And as to not just grabbing & shaking them - it's tempting, but ninjas are no good at grappling!