I'm working with the concept of having a Hellknight5/Paladin5 npc come in to save the Pc's from a demon ambush in a few sessions down the road. I'm toying with the idea that this HellKnight will kill the major demon while his subordinates and the PC's would kill the smaller demons and cultists.
So, what I'm working with is the two smites he would have, and how it would work if he used both.
Smite Evil
Once per day, a paladin can call out to the powers of good to aid her in her struggle against evil. As a swift action, the paladin chooses one target within sight to smite. If this target is evil, the paladin adds her Cha bonus (if any) to her attack rolls and adds her paladin level to all damage rolls made against the target of her smite. If the target of smite evil is an outsider with the evil subtype, an evil-aligned dragon, or an undead creature, the bonus to damage on the first successful attack increases to 2 points of damage per level the paladin possesses. Regardless of the target, smite evil attacks automatically bypass any DR the creature might possess.
In addition, while smite evil is in effect, the paladin gains a deflection bonus equal to her Charisma modifier (if any) to her AC against attacks made by the target of the smite. If the paladin targets a creature that is not evil, the smite is wasted with no effect.
The smite evil effect remains until the target of the smite is dead or the next time the paladin rests and regains her uses of this ability. At 4th level, and at every three levels thereafter, the paladin may smite evil one additional time per day, as indicated on Table: Paladin, to a maximum of seven times per day at 19th level.
Smite Chaos
This ability functions as the paladin's smite evil ability, but against chaotic-aligned creatures. This ability is twice as effective against outsiders with the chaotic subtype, chaotic-aligned aberrations, and fey.
So I understand that the deflection bonus wouldn't stack, but if I'm reading this correctly, wouldn't the guy do an addition 20 the first hit (5x2 for paladin level times three for first hit against evil outsider + 5x2 for hell knight level times two for chaotic outsider) and 15 thereafter ( 5 for paladin, 5x2 for hellknight vs chaotic outsider).
additional possibility
First strike is +25 to damage (5x2 for paladin against evil outsider, 5x3 hell knight+first strike+double effectiveness against evil outsider)
Am I doing this right?
Edit: Found a rule regarding stacking multipliers.
I'm reasonably confident that the "twice as effective" clause clarifies how the double damage clause from Smite Evil applies with Smite Chaos, not to allow quadruple damage against certain things.
Ok, so I just found this little tidbit
Multiplying: When you are asked to apply more than one multiplier to a roll, the multipliers are not multiplied by one another. Instead, you combine them into a single multiplier, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. For example, if you are asked to apply a ×2 multiplier twice, the result would be ×3, not ×4.
So regarding the hell knights first strike (assuming the smite chaos is written as intended) would be 5*2 for smite evil, and 5*3 for smite chaos with a total +25
I'm reasonably confident that the "twice as effective" clause clarifies how the double damage clause from Smite Evil applies with Smite Chaos, not to allow quadruple damage against certain things.
This.
The ability is supposed to be identical to the Paladin Smite, just for Chaos, not Evil.
So it's not double again the bonus that is already doubled by Paladin's Smite; nor is it Pathfinder Math's version of doubled again (tripled).
It is "Where the Paladin Smite doubles in [this] scenario, the Hellknight Smite instead doubles in [that] scenario".
Champion of Irori gets Smite Chaos and talks about how it doesn't stack with smite evil. I'm certain that the intention is that they don't stack, even if the specific language was left out.
Just remember that if you do it, so can your players.
Champion of Irori gets Smite Chaos and talks about how it doesn't stack with smite evil. I'm certain that the intention is that they don't stack, even if the specific language was left out.
The key difference here is this
Levels in this class stack with paladin levels for the purpose of determining how much damage a paladin of the Enlightened deals to targets of his smite.
So I'd assume it would stack, but thanks for the input.