Two trait questions

[Lucy_Valentine]

Can an Eldritch Knight (who does not have fighter levels) take a fighter-only trait (through the additional traits feat), thanks to their diverse training class feature?

Diverse Training:
An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter).

Obviously they can take fighter-only feats, but are traits different?

Edited to add the second question, which I forgot because it seemed so obviously a yes the second time I looked at it:

Does mithral medium armour count as medium for the purposes of the "Defender of the society" trait?

[PolydactylPolymath]

Traits are not feats, so no to the first one. As for the second, it is the subject of endless debate on the boards. The exact text of Mithral states that the armour only counts as light "for the purposes of movement and other limitations". What counts as a “limitation”? It's a tad unclear; YMMV.

[terry_t_uk]

Defender of the Society - Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus to Armor Class when wearing medium or heavy armor.

Mithral states "Mithral is a very rare silvery, glistening metal that is lighter than steel but just as hard.

When worked like steel, it becomes a wonderful material from which to create armor, and is occasionally used for other items as well. Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor's check penalty to all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving."

In my opinion, for the purposes of the trait, the mithral breastplate would not count as medium for purposes of the trait.

[Jeff Merola]

terry_t_uk wrote:

Defender of the Society - Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus to Armor Class when wearing medium or heavy armor.

Mithral states "Mithral is a very rare silvery, glistening metal that is lighter than steel but just as hard.

When worked like steel, it becomes a wonderful material from which to create armor, and is occasionally used for other items as well. Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor's check penalty to all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving."

In my opinion, for the purposes of the trait, the mithral breastplate would not count as medium for purposes of the trait.

So in your opinion gaining a benefit from a trait qualifies as a limitation?

[Nefreet]

I flagged the OP to be moved to the Rules Forum, where it will have a better chance of seeding another endless debate.