I keep hoping for a kingmaker anniversary edition. I'm told it will never happen but if people keep asking for it...
wow $100 .... i have all the pathfinder issues right from the start, up to current =D
#3 is available in the scratch and dent sale here, no?
That's why they need to make a hardcover like they did for Rise of the Runelords, they'd make bank on that..
Part three, as of 10-1-2014, still is available on this site in print form.
Good luck with Parts 1 & 2.
I'm all for an anniversary edition of this AP. If enough people demand it, Paizo will listen. Even though I do have the original AP in print, the Anniversary edition is bound to have a few new things I will not be able to say no to.
This post from Paizo's chief technical officer Vic Wertz explains thoroughly the reason why there won't be any Kingmaker reprints, and why Print-on-Demand is also out of the question.
(Especially Vic's third message in which he adresses specifically the issue of old APs)
This post from Paizo's chief technical officer Vic Wertz explains thoroughly the reason why there won't be any Kingmaker reprints, and why Print-on-Demand is also out of the question.
(Especially Vic's third message in which he adresses specifically the issue of old APs)
That post was from almost 5 years ago. The "out-of-the-question" reasons are no longer compelling. The quality is there. I'd have a hard time believing that there are no POD printing houses that wouldn't allow publishers to sell their POD books on their own webstores, on their own company websites, especially those POD printers that deal only with publishers and not with the author or end consumer. In fact I'm currently working with folks who are planning to do just that: sell POD books printed by Lightning Source directly from their own website.
This post from Paizo's chief technical officer Vic Wertz explains thoroughly the reason why there won't be any Kingmaker reprints, and why Print-on-Demand is also out of the question.
(Especially Vic's third message in which he adresses specifically the issue of old APs)
Yeah, five years old on the POD topic, and Kingmaker basically is out of print now. While I don't expect to see this soon, by any stretch of the imagination, the creative department never has ruled out doing other anniversary editions.
The message always has been: Don't hold your breath. It's a lot of work. If the right forces align, we'll do another Anniversary edition.
I'm simply letting the powers-that-be know there is at least one more person interested in this potential future product.
Carry on!!
I understand the "printing quality" reason may not apply anymore, but the core of the problem remains:
Reprinting Kingmaker and/or allowing users to print their own would put pressure on Paizo's new APs by creating self-concurrence.
As they explained, it is much more profitable and safe for them to work on a brand-new AP centered around kingdom-building than reprinting the same stuff.
I understand the "printing quality" reason may not apply anymore, but the core of the problem remains:
Reprinting Kingmaker and/or allowing users to print their own would put pressure on Paizo's new APs by creating self-concurrence.
As they explained, it is much more profitable and safe for them to work on a brand-new AP centered around kingdom-building than reprinting the same stuff.
This is just not true. If they sold PODs at the regular price, then yes, but this is very inflexible thinking. Most people who want physical copies of older books and not just PDFs are collectors who want them for sentimental reasons, or want to round off a set that they almost have complete except for 1 or 2 volumes. By branding them specifically as collector editions and doubling the price, they will not compete with current APs and are certainly a preferable alternative to the exorbitant price tags on Amazon Marketplace. What exactly would be the drawback to that?
I know nothing about POD. If the prices would really be that high, then you're right, no competition with other products, as far as newcomers to PF who don't know the APs by reputation are concerned.
But then again, I don't know if the very few select people interested in paying double price for old APs makes it a viable solution. Is there recurring fees to POD solutions?
I know nothing about POD. If the prices would really be that high, then you're right, no competition with other products, as far as newcomers to PF who don't know the APs by reputation are concerned.
But then again, I don't know if the very few select people interested in paying double price for old APs makes it a viable solution. Is there recurring fees to POD solutions?
Not that I'm aware. It's per transaction only. The only thing I can think of is that the man-hours for modifying the pdfs to meet printer specifications would not break even. But the specifications are getting more and more flexible all the time.
why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?
this is the internet, people don't move on, they dig in:D
i agree whole heartedly tho, its not as simple as firing up Ye Olde Printing Press and printing off a run:)
but then again i already own all of kingmaker:)
Not only that, but all of the 'books' would need updates to correct errors,
plus books 2 & 4(?) would need major work to cut out &/or replace the stuff
on kingdom building & armies.Instead of railing against something Paizo have said they're not going to do
& saying that the reasons aren't compelling...when the dudes who own the company
believe they are...why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?
Because my lofty equine is too tall and I'm afraid I'll break something.
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.
Not only that, but all of the 'books' would need updates to correct errors,
plus books 2 & 4(?) would need major work to cut out &/or replace the stuff
on kingdom building & armies.Instead of railing against something Paizo have said they're not going to do
& saying that the reasons aren't compelling...when the dudes who own the company
believe they are...why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?Because my lofty equine is too tall and I'm afraid I'll break something.
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.
forget the horse you need a Delorean:)
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forget the horse you need a Delorean:)Not only that, but all of the 'books' would need updates to correct errors,
plus books 2 & 4(?) would need major work to cut out &/or replace the stuff
on kingdom building & armies.Instead of railing against something Paizo have said they're not going to do
& saying that the reasons aren't compelling...when the dudes who own the company
believe they are...why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?Because my lofty equine is too tall and I'm afraid I'll break something.
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.
Wow! Someone actually remembers that movie. It's been a long, long time.
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Not only that, but all of the 'books' would need updates to correct errors,
plus books 2 & 4(?) would need major work to cut out &/or replace the stuff
on kingdom building & armies.Instead of railing against something Paizo have said they're not going to do
& saying that the reasons aren't compelling...when the dudes who own the company
believe they are...why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?Because my lofty equine is too tall and I'm afraid I'll break something.
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.
Rest assured that a GREAT many of Paizo's patrons feel the same way and have campaigned vociferously to see at least the 3.5 out-of-print AP's to get the RotRL treatment. Legitimate arguments have been made on both sides. As for me, as a consumer and supporter of Paizo, I fully intend to continue giving them input on the things I'd like to give them money for. I suspect there's a higher demand for these out-of-date, out-of-print compilations than there was for the cluster that was Mythic rules or for a psionics handbook. I say keep respectfully beating your drum.
As an aside, oftentimes the reasons for such inflated prices on sites like Amazon is because the book prices are tied to other similar products offered by other sellers, automatically pre-programmed to go up in price when the others do. This can cause a loop and result in things being ridiculously over-priced, often without the knowledge of the seller (who presumably has a great many items to watch over). I suggest you try contacting the sellers directly and offering them a more reasonable sum - I've had that tactic work for me in the past.
As an aside, oftentimes the reasons for such inflated prices on sites like Amazon is because the book prices are tied to other similar products offered by other sellers, automatically pre-programmed to go up in price when the others do. This can cause a loop and result in things being ridiculously over-priced, often without the knowledge of the seller (who presumably has a great many items to watch over). I suggest you try contacting the sellers directly and offering them a more reasonable sum - I've had that tactic work for me in the past.
Great idea. I hadn't thought of that. I will try that.
Wow! Someone actually remembers that movie. It's been a long, long time.forget the horse you need a Delorean:)Not only that, but all of the 'books' would need updates to correct errors,
plus books 2 & 4(?) would need major work to cut out &/or replace the stuff
on kingdom building & armies.Instead of railing against something Paizo have said they're not going to do
& saying that the reasons aren't compelling...when the dudes who own the company
believe they are...why not just dismount the lofty equine & move on...?Because my lofty equine is too tall and I'm afraid I'll break something.
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.
Remember it! who could forget one of the best movies of all time! and i lived it, saw it in the theater, thrice:)
great now you made me feel old! :)
Rest assured that a GREAT many of Paizo's patronsEmpirical data, please. Or else I'll say that a GREAT many of Paizo's patrons don't give a flip, and we're at an impasse, because neither can back our opinions with facts. :)
they could do a variation of the ice bucket challenge, print up so many copies of Kingmaker and Curse of the Crimson Throne, if you want them you gotta make a donation to ALS (or whatever issue Paizo cares about:) and submit a video of yourself doing a flip:) problem solved:)
Rest assured that a GREAT many of Paizo's patronsEmpirical data, please. Or else I'll say that a GREAT many of Paizo's patrons don't give a flip, and we're at an impasse, because neither can back our opinions with facts. :)
I'm comfortable living in a world where we both think we're right and - theoretically at least - both could be. A great many could indeed want to purchase such an item while simultaneously a great many might well not give a flip.
Would it settle your nerves if I simply said 'I know OF a great many' Paizo patrons who would like to see such a thing? That way the evidence of my claim can be anecdotal rather than empirical and you can simply dismiss it out of hand rather than giving credence to the many threads and GREAT many posts we've both seen on this subject here on these boards alone.
My huge Golem Sale order has just arrived. Let the Unboxing begin!
Seriously though, I'm not railing. I'm just emotional because I really do love the Paizo products that much that I want to be able to hold all of them in my hand like a treasure. That's really all it's about.;-p Now THAT I can appreciate! :)
As for Deloreans, I was there then too... In fact - I saw a replica on
the streets not all that long ago.As a small (perhaps very small) glimmer of hope - I will be selling my
AP books & maps once I've run the full AP. I know there are people out
there who will still want them. The hope is small because we've been
playing for 2-3 years & have only just started VV because I've been
filling the rest of the world full of adventure. I intend to try to
do the last 4 books in less time than that however! (Or the likelihood
of me shooting either myself or my players will increase to an
unacceptable level!)
Please let me know if you do put them up for sale. I'm a stickler for really good condition, though.
This late from release, you might have to choose between compromising your opinion on condition or not having them at all.
is there any value in selling my books 1-6 plus map folio.....they are just sitting there and will never be used again?
is there any value in selling my books 1-6 plus map folio.....they are just sitting there and will never be used again?
I would say so. Look at eBay. They are bringing good money for them...
well have gone for it and placed the lot on ebay as one job auction
no idea about such rules here, so message me if you need url
everything is in really good condition, to near mint for the maps
thx
all you gotta do is go to ebay and search for Kingmaker pathfinder its the first result, at least i think it is
way to not jack the price there Thenovalord, kudos to you sir:)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361097402212?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksi d=p3984.m1555.l2649
if I make what I paid originally then I will be more than happy......postage costs in the UK are just plain silly