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The Dawnflower Dervish Bard is arguably the best dex character. You get dex-to-damage right from level 1, 6 level spellcasting, and an alternate Bardic Performance that buffs you to the point of competing right with the straight martials in pure damage.
Don't worry about getting Evasion as a class feature, you can just pay for it.
If you really want Uncanny Dodge, the Urban Barbarian is another great choice.
The current campaign I'm in has 3 dexed based characters. A rogue, a monk, and an alchemist. The rogue is great at picking locks and disabling traps, the monk has many attacks and good to-hit, and the alchemist uses natural weapons and has pretty good to hit. I think you're on the right path with monk. Doesn't wear armor, evasion, high sense motive. You can get an amulet of agile that would add dex to damage for 5k (iirc). I'd look into Arachnofiend's suggestion which seems to be a faster path to awesomeness, or just go with something interesting for first level, then make leveling-up class decisions as you go.
Getting Dex to damage on a monk isn't hard at all. An Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists is only 4,000 gp.
Why evasion is so important to you?
One other way to get access to uncanny dodge is to dip in this PrC, keep in mind that this a very setting specific PrC though. (it's called ulfen guard and it's in inner sea combat)
It sounds like you might really enjoy Panther Style.
Master of Many Styles is a really strong archetype. Not sure what the best complementary style is, but I'm sure you can find one you like.
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You are much better off rolling stats then 15 point buy.
My suggestion.
Samurai (Sword Saint)
Monk 2
stats in order of importance.
Dex>Wis>Con>Str>Int>Cha
Playing human I will recommend if you get a Int of 13 or higher. Look in to taken Fast Learner as it will give you both the hit point and skill point for every level in your favored class.
For your Monk levels I recommend taking Dodge, and Combat Reflexes. As you will have a high enough dex to make it well worth your time.
Sense you have samurai level your proficient in Wakizashi. It is a light weapon, that has a high threat range. So it works well with two weapon fighting, and Piranha Strike.
Using the challenge ability from samurai for increased damage at low level and stacking damage at higher levels. Helps make up for the lack of str in this kind of build.
Sword Saint is used to remove the mount from this build for flavor reasons only.
Anyone have suggestions?
One of the most powerful and versatile martial builds I've ever seen was a Brawler (Fighter archetype, not the ACG version) who dipped two levels of MoMS. He was a damage machine, had high saves, a high AC and got more than a dozen attacks per round in some instances. Purely Dex based.
The only caveat was that he needed 1 or 2 fairly low level or inexpensive magic items to really maximize his abilities, but in most campaigns that's not an issue.
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It sounds like you might really enjoy Panther Style.
Master of Many Styles is a really strong archetype. Not sure what the best complementary style is, but I'm sure you can find one you like.
I can't say I'd recommend Panther Style and it's other related Style Feats... but I'd certainly recommend Snake Style, Snake Sidewind, and Snake Fang.
Snake Style and Snake Sidewind are really nice, but Snake Fang takes the cake. Every time someone misses you in Melee, you can to attack them using an Unarmed Strike. You can take as many AoO as you have Dex mod +1, assuming you have Combat Reflexes. Panther Style and it's other feats would be more complementary to Snake, since it's only in reaction to "AoO's that Miss" as opposed to "Any melee that misses" like Snake Fang.
If you can swing getting both of these, everyone will seriously hate attacking you. Which could be a problem and they may try to ignore you. Consider options in which you can hold opponents in one spot, or hit them hard enough to stay a serious threat and keep their attention.
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Anyone have suggestions?One of the most powerful and versatile martial builds I've ever seen was a Brawler (Fighter archetype, not the ACG version) who dipped two levels of MoMS. He was a damage machine, had high saves, a high AC and got more than a dozen attacks per round in some instances. Purely Dex based.
The only caveat was that he needed 1 or 2 fairly low level or inexpensive magic items to really maximize his abilities, but in most campaigns that's not an issue.
I bet he went for MOMS and received Pummeling Charge and Snake Fang by level 4 : P
That's exactly what I'm doing. Brawler's are already pretty sick even without those Style Feats.
I don't know if Panther Style is the strongest mechanically, it just sounds like it was an excellent fit for the flavor that OP was looking for.
Anyone have suggestions?One of the most powerful and versatile martial builds I've ever seen was a Brawler (Fighter archetype, not the ACG version) who dipped two levels of MoMS. He was a damage machine, had high saves, a high AC and got more than a dozen attacks per round in some instances. Purely Dex based.
The only caveat was that he needed 1 or 2 fairly low level or inexpensive magic items to really maximize his abilities, but in most campaigns that's not an issue.
I bet he went for MOMS and received Pummeling Charge and Snake Fang by level 4 : P
That's exactly what I'm doing. Brawler's are already pretty sick even without those Style Feats.
That can be done by 4th level?
That can be done by 4th level?I bet he went for MOMS and received Pummeling Charge and Snake Fang by level 4 : P
That's exactly what I'm doing. Brawler's are already pretty sick even without those Style Feats.
You could do it this way by 3rd level, I think.
1 (MoMS): Pummeling Style, Pummeling Charge
2 (Brawler)
3 (MoMS): Snake Style, Snake Fang
MoMS can't get Pummeling Style naturally. You need Flurry to qualify without meeting the BAB requirement, which the MoMS doesn't have.
MoMS can't get Pummeling Style naturally. You need Flurry to qualify without meeting the BAB requirement, which the MoMS doesn't have.
Good catch. Still doable, though.
1 (Brawler): Pummeling Style
2 (MoMS): Pummeling Charge
3 (MoMS): Snake Style, Snake Fang
MoMS can't get Pummeling Style naturally. You need Flurry to qualify without meeting the BAB requirement, which the MoMS doesn't have.Good catch. Still doable, though.
1 (Brawler): Pummeling Style
2 (MoMS): Pummeling Charge
3 (MoMS): Snake Style, Snake Fang
Is that the ACG Brawler or the Fighter Archetype, because the Fughter archetype is the build we're talking about.
ACG brawler, and they can't get pummeling style until level 2 with martial flexibility or level 3 permanently because they don't get brawlers flurry until 2nd.
Ok, my bad. I didn't realize Brawler's Flurry didn't come until 2nd. So yeah, I guess 4 would be the quickest to do it.
1 (Brawler):
2 (Brawler): Pummeling Style
3 (MoMS): Pummeling Charge, Snake Style
4 (MoMS): Snake Fang
The Dawnflower Dervish Bard is arguably the best dex character. You get dex-to-damage right from level 1, 6 level spellcasting, and an alternate Bardic Performance that buffs you to the point of competing right with the straight martials in pure damage.
Don't worry about getting Evasion as a class feature, you can just pay for it.
If you really want Uncanny Dodge, the Urban Barbarian is another great choice.
Where does it say you get dex to damage at level 1 please? I looked at the dervish dancer prestige class but it isn't in there anywhere.
It's a bard archetype in the inner sea magic.
It's a bard archetype in the inner sea magic.
Thanks
This one, specifically. You get Dervish Dance as a bonus feat at first level so you get to be pure dex right out of the box.
This one, specifically. You get Dervish Dance as a bonus feat at first level so you get to be pure dex right out of the box.
Made an Aasimar Dawnflower Dervish for Wrath and it was absolutely one of my favorite characters ever.