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What would be the best PFS ranger build- a Trophy hunter ranger or a musket master gunslinger/ranger mix? I want the character to shoot from a distance, kill with high damage and still be a good woodsman.
What does "being a good woodman" mean to you? What specifically are you after?
In any event, the Trophy Hunter ranger doesn't get a free firearm, which is a big deal.
Personally, I would go musket master 5/ then whatever to get dex to damage with muskets and the other class to represent your "woodsman" inclinations. I don't really think trophy hunter is necessary here, and wont really give you much benefit to the character, so straight Ranger might be better. Or even go trapper archetype ranger if that fits your fancy.
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Well seeing as how they seemed to have unbanned many of the gun slinging archetypes from the APG as they don't seem to be listed as being banned anymore in the APG area for Additional Resources, don't quote me if I am wrong, but I would think Trophy Hunter would be your best bet.
Really? I'll have to check that.
well i envision him to be the group outdoorsman (survival, stealth, scout, sniper) and armed with a musket. imagine a PFS natty bumppo or hawkeye from last of the mohicans.
well they were both bad ass but hawkeye was maybe a tad bit luckier,and the trio's party face.
well i envision him to be the group outdoorsman (survival, stealth, scout, sniper) and armed with a musket. imagine a PFS natty bumppo or hawkeye from last of the mohicans.
Depending on if you're really after any of the rangers abilities, you can get by with no ranger levels and instead just build a character with a decent int score and takes skills such as Survival, Stealth, Perception, Knowledge(Nature).
@Claxon,
was thinking how awesome gunslinger touch damage would be added to a rangers favored enemy list.
@Claxon,
was thinking how awesome gunslinger touch damage would be added to a rangers favored enemy list.
Favored Enemy can be hit or miss. And it also grows kind of slowly (when you have 5 levels in gunslinger first). That being said, it's still not a bad idea. And by using the archery combat style you will be able to pickup some useful feats along the way. However, you may need to use retraining rules since the feats you will get before will likely overlap with what becomes available from the combat style feats.*
What I mean is that you'll pick up Rapid Shot and Precise Shot, etc while leveling up as a gunslinger, but when you level as a ranger and get Combat Style Feats you may end up wanting to retrain the feats gained from leveling as you may not have options you want to take with the restricted list on Combat Style Feats.
Well seeing as how they seemed to have unbanned many of the gun slinging archetypes from the APG as they don't seem to be listed as being banned anymore in the APG area for Additional Resources, don't quote me if I am wrong, but I would think Trophy Hunter would be your best bet.
Hate to burst the bubble, but I believe the Trophy Hunter is from Ultimate Combat.
Ranger: The trophy hunter archetype is not permitted in Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
-TimD
can a slayers sneak attack be applied to ranged weapons (musket). never played slayer or rogue.
can a slayers sneak attack be applied to ranged weapons (musket). never played slayer or rogue.
It can be applied to muskets just as it can be applied to any ranged weapon in general.
The problem being that you can't use flanking to get Sneak Attack . You have to find some other reliable method of getting sneak attack, which requires denying the enemy their dex which is a more complicated matter.
Sneak Attack: If a rogue can catch an opponent when he is unable to defend himself effectively from her attack, she can strike a vital spot for extra damage.
The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.
With a weapon that deals nonlethal damage (like a sap, whip, or an unarmed strike), a rogue can make a sneak attack that deals nonlethal damage instead of lethal damage. She cannot use a weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage in a sneak attack, not even with the usual –4 penalty.
The rogue must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment.
Honestly, I think sneak attack with ranged weapons just isn't something that is usually very successful without magical support (such as a friendly wizard casting greater invisibility on you). It's just damned difficult to get the enemy denied their dex for your ranged attacks.
In my opinion, Freebooter Ranger who trades Favored Enemy for a mechanic similar to the Slayer's but doesn't pickup Sneak Attack may be a better way to go.
"The problem being that you can't use flanking to get Sneak Attack. You have to find some other reliable method of getting sneak attack, which requires denying the enemy their dex which is a more complicated matter."
Hmmm never played a thief/rogue/slayer in any PFS/D&D game. Not sure how to overcome this requirement.
"The problem being that you can't use flanking to get Sneak Attack. You have to find some other reliable method of getting sneak attack, which requires denying the enemy their dex which is a more complicated matter."
Hmmm never played a thief/rogue/slayer in any PFS/D&D game. Not sure how to overcome this requirement.
On a two weapon fighting build the usual go to is Improved Two Weapon Feint, but since you are not dual wielding melee weapons it doesn't work.
I recall something with Dazzling Display and Shatter Defenses that might work.
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Well seeing as how they seemed to have unbanned many of the gun slinging archetypes from the APG as they don't seem to be listed as being banned anymore in the APG area for Additional Resources, don't quote me if I am wrong, but I would think Trophy Hunter would be your best bet.Hate to burst the bubble, but I believe the Trophy Hunter is from Ultimate Combat.
-TimD
Ranger: The trophy hunter archetype is not permitted in Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
Then chalk it up to a brain fart. Like I said in my post before that one: "Don't quote me if I am wrong."