Can the same ability modifier apply twice to the same roll?

[RumpinRufus]

If a paladin with the Divine Grace class feature also take oracle levels and gains the Sidetep Secret revelation, can he apply his charisma modifier twice to reflex saves?

This seems to come up frequently on this board, and it now also applies to the swashbuckler's Charmed Life ability and the feat Steadfast Personality, among other things.

Is this FAQ worthy? There seem to be continual arguments on each side.

[Chess Pwn]

RumpinRufus wrote:

This seems to come up frequently on this board

haha yes, and it seems like a fair amount of those are from you. So yes if you make a lot of threads with similar questions it will come up a lot. And yes I would like some official answer to this.

[Zwordsman]

Variations have been FAQ'd many times on the board. General consensus (for not PFS) is: ask your gm if they count sources as the ability modifiers, or if they count the class abilities and feats as sources.

I personally count sources as feats class abilities etc. S obear that in mind when I answer.

Now on to this specific example.

Note side step tells yo uto replace with charisma.
Paladin divine grace says they gain a bonus equivilant to charisma (but doesn't actually give you a charisma bonus).
So i don't think this one should really conflict. One is using the charisma modifier. where as divine grace is giving a untyped bonus equal to charisma (but is not a charisma bonus)

[RumpinRufus]

Chess Pwn wrote:

RumpinRufus wrote:

This seems to come up frequently on this board

haha yes, and it seems like a fair amount of those are from you. So yes if you make a lot of threads with similar questions it will come up a lot. And yes I would like some official answer to this.

I only made the one thread! Then I saw this thread on the front page today, and saw it get debated again reddit.

[RumpinRufus]

Zwordsman wrote:

Now on to this specific example.

Note side step tells yo uto replace with charisma.
Paladin divine grace says they gain a bonus equivilant to charisma (but doesn't actually give you a charisma bonus).
So i don't think this one should really conflict. One is using the charisma modifier. where as divine grace is giving a untyped bonus equal to charisma (but is not a charisma bonus)

That seems reasonable to me. But what about Divine Grace + Charmed Life where you're getting two untyped bonuses?