Dazing Metamagic + Conjuration


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This may be a semantic can of worms, but I was wondering if the dazing metamagic feat can apply to things like Stone Call or Ice Spears. By one reading, these spells don't actually deal damage. Rather, they create effects that deal damage incidentally (which is why they get around spell resistance). It's like suggesting that the fall damage from Create Pit or the projectiles from Fabricate Bullets would be suitable Dazing effects.

Is this an accurate reading?


DRD1812 wrote:

This may be a semantic can of worms, but I was wondering if the dazing metamagic feat can apply to things like Stone Call or Ice Spears. By one reading, these spells don't actually deal damage. Rather, they create effects that deal damage incidentally (which is why they get around spell resistance). It's like suggesting that the fall damage from Create Pit or the projectiles from Fabricate Bullets would be suitable Dazing effects.

Is this an accurate reading?

That's an interesting distinction, but no.

Stone Call and Ice Spears cause damage directly through the spell effect; something like Create Pit causes a fall, but the fallcauses incidental damage, not the spell.

Similarly, a Dazing Telekinesis will not allow us to toss someone in the air, only to suffer a dazing impact upon landfall - the spell causes the fall, and the fall causes the damage.

I never really thought about it, but it's a subtle distinction - good question!

(Basic semantic distinction between cause (directly) and cause (indirectly) - the former is required for Dazing... otherwise you could cast a Dazing Summon Monster, and have a Dazing Tyrannosaurus on the loose!)


I think the answer is no, conjuraiton spells wont work. The spell doesn't deal damage, it creates an object. Those objects just happen to deal damage occasionally.


So what would a Dazing Mordenkainen's Sword, or Spiritual Weapon do?


Mordenkainen's Sword won't do anything as it doesn't exist in pathfinder. Dazing Mage's Sword and Dazing Spiritual Weapon will just do what Mage's Sword and Spiritual Weapon do, but they will take up a bigger spell slot.


Dazing acid arrow: daze just once or every round (or not at all)?

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I quite happily used Dazing Stone Call fairly regularly throughout ROTRL. It didn't even occur to me or my GM that it wouldn't work. We agreed that given it's range and radius it was a deadly combo, but in reading this thread I think you're right - it shouldn't work with Dazing.

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