rule on thr holy avenger

[tonicx]

i am running a evil campange and wondering if any of them can touch the holy avenger

[Zhayne]

Yes, they can. It only becomes a holy weapon in the hands of a paladin, so they won't suffer the negative level ... but by the same token, it's only a generic +2 cold iron sword for them.

[darkwarriorkarg]

Unless one of them uses UMD...

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

darkwarriorkarg wrote:

Unless one of them uses UMD...

Which could have quite interesting consequences depending on how the GM rules it.

[LazarX]

Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:

darkwarriorkarg wrote:

Unless one of them uses UMD...

Which could have quite interesting consequences depending on how the GM rules it.

Congratulations! you've activated the holy sword. Say hello to two negative levels. Are you continuing to fool with it?

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

Right, of course if you convinced it you were a Paladin to activate it, then maybe it is also convinced you are LG and won't give you the negative levels? And, then the arguments about the deity not being fooled, and the sword would give you the negative levels anyways.

Argghhh.

[LazarX]

Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:

Right, of course if you convinced it you were a Paladin to activate it, then maybe it is also convinced you are LG and won't give you the negative levels? And, then the arguments about the deity not being fooled, and the sword would give you the negative levels anyways.

Argghhh.

I tend to treat Holy Avengers (or Unholy Reavers) as something other than the latest order from Magic Mart. Play with divine fire and you're gonna get burned.

[Dark Sorcerer]

By RAW you simply need to make a DC 20 UMD (emulate a class feature) and a 30 UMD (Emulate an Alignment) to use the Holy Avenger.

Some would argue that emulating a class feature is not the same as emulating a class but how can you emulate a class feature without emulating the class itself.

[aceDiamond]

I'm uncertain what you're all on about. The page for a Holy Avenger mentions nothing of negative levels.

[Zhayne]

The Holy weapon ability, which the Holy Avenger gets when fully activated, does.