
| boring7 | 
Oversimplified version: Can I use prestidigitation in place of a disguise kit when I'm making a disguise?
tl;dr version: I'm playing a drow in a good campaign. Please save your Driz'zt jokes and clichè-shaming for the end of the thread, I got a few mechanics questions.
Since being Out and Drow'd is dangerous at times and I'm level 1 I cannot afford a hat of disguise, hell I can't even afford a disguise kit, and that doesn't last very long.
First question is; do you even need a kit? The skill doesn't mention it and the kit doesn't say, "you must have this or you can't use the skill."
Second question; Prestidigitation can change the color of things (and a lot more, depending on interpretation). It ALSO says, "The materials created by a prestidigitation spell are extremely fragile, and they cannot be used as tools, weapons, or spell components." A disguise kit doesn't need to be durable but game balance, other argument, etc. I don't know. Can I use Prestidigitation to fake a disguise?
Third, was there ever a ruling saying you can or cannot take 10 on the skill? As an elf I don't sleep so I have an extra 4 hours every night, and can work on my disguise for the (up to) 5 hours.
And fourth, I'm trying to look like a different race (elf) so I get a -2, I'm ALSO just trying to make generic disguise rather than a specific one. Do I get any bonuses for that second part?

| graystone | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            1: you don't need the kit, it gives you a +2 checks.
2: I'd let you avoid the -2 improvised tools penalty.
3: Taking 10: When your character is not in immediate danger or distracted, you may choose to take 10.
4: You are going from humanoid (elf) to humanoid (elf). I wouldn't add the -2 in. Drow is more of a sub-race like the various types of humans. You might talk your DM into giving you the 'Minor details only' bonus if you're JUST changing skin color.

|  EvilPaladin | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            So, since every new post is technically added on to the end of the thread, am I allowed to pull out my Driz'zt jokes and Clichè-shame? :)
Seriously, though, I agree with Graystone on #1-3. 4 I would impose the penalty on, because the penalty is for disguising yourself as another race, not another subtype.

| graystone | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            My point was that you are going from one elf to another elf. However if you want a rules quote: "Subtypes are often important to qualify for other racial abilities and feats. If a humanoid has a racial subtype, it is considered a member of that race in the case of race prerequisites." Advanced Race Guide pg#217. So Drow's qualify as elves for everything.

|  EvilPaladin | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            My point was that you are going from one elf to another elf. However if you want a rules quote: "Subtypes are often important to qualify for other racial abilities and feats. If a humanoid has a racial subtype, it is considered a member of that race in the case of race prerequisites." Advanced Race Guide pg#217. So Drow's qualify as elves for everything.On the other hand,
Prerequisites: Half-elf, half-orc, or halfling (see Special).
Benefit: You receive a +10 bonus on Disguise checks to disguise yourself as a human, and do not receive the penalty for disguising yourself as a member of another race when you do so. In areas largely populated or settled by humans, you can take 10 on your Disguise check, meaning most people tend to assume you are human unless given a reason to think otherwise.
Special: A halfling may take this feat, but must have the Childlike feat as a prerequisite. The benefits of the two feats stack.
If 2 races that shared a subtype didn't take the penalty for being a different race, then why would there be a clause for Half-Elfs and Half-Orcs not taking the penalty included in the feat?

| graystone | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            Nothing in that statement separates Half-Elfs and Half-Orcs from Halfling and it applies to haflings. If there was a normal section at the bottom that stated that those two races took the minus that might be a valid point. Also the feat you quoted came out in 2010 and the book my quote came from came out in 2012 so it would take precedence.

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|  Dazz | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            As for prestidigitation being used to make a disguise...kind of. As you quoted, the materials it makes are pretty fragile, and so this this kind of disguise basically being facepaint, you could probably use it short-term as long as you kept anyone from getting too good a look at you. No specific rule though.. I think everything else you asked was covered.

| lemeres | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            As for prestidigitation being used to make a disguise...kind of. As you quoted, the materials it makes are pretty fragile, and so this this kind of disguise basically being facepaint, you could probably use it short-term as long as you kept anyone from getting too good a look at you. No specific rule though.. I think everything else you asked was covered.
Well, there are still ways to use it for disguises. It can color objects, which can be rather useful.
"Go and catch that guy in the red cloak! ....*umph*...oh, excuse me citizen. May I say that your yellow cloak looks fabulous?"
It could also be useful since you could probably color dyes. Just grab a random jug of ink, and suddenly you can be sporting golden locks.
You could also possibly fake veils and jewelry (well, the jewelry would be like...that plastic 'gold' stuff you buy kids; it would make you look poor, but maybe not as suspicious?)

| boring7 | 
 
	
 
     
     
    