Disguise self and ioun stones

[Kaboogy]

Can you hide the presence of ioun stones by using disguise self?

[Claxon]

You can probably make them look like something else, but they'd still be objects orbiting your head as far as I can tell.

[KuntaSS]

D20pfsrd wrote:

You make yourself—including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment—look different. You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between. You cannot change your creature type (although you can appear as another subtype). Otherwise, the extent of the apparent change is up to you. You could add or obscure a minor feature or look like an entirely different person or gender.

Firstly, would you consider ioun stones equipment? I would, so that checks out.

It allows you to make yourself appear one foot taller or shorter (can very small creatures use this to disappear?) and add or obscure minor features, so it's probably well within the realm of the spell to make them look like something else, I don think you could use it to make them disappear though.

[Tomos]

Use the rules for implanting them (Seekers of Secrets) and they'll disappear.

Floating around your head? Claxon is right.

[IQuarent]

If Invisibility cloaks Ioun Stones, then it only makes sense for Disguise Self to work as well, so I'm in agreement with Claxon. However, the level of manipulation you could have over changing their appearance is debatable. If I am to be strictly literal, you could only disguise them as something that appears over your head without touching it... Maybe you could disguise them as a halo in the appropriate situation? Disguise yourself as an aasimar, perhaps?

Honestly, it doesn't make much sense for either spell to affect things that aren't attached to your body but OOOOOOOOOOOOO MAGIC!!!

[DrSwordopolis]

Is there a ruling that Invisibility cloaks Ioun Stones? (Genuinely curious - I've been proceeding under the assumption that it doesn't.)

[lemeres]

Claxon wrote:

You can probably make them look like something else, but they'd still be objects orbiting your head as far as I can tell.

"Yes, I am totally the druid. I prance about the forest doing druid thing. Can't you see these beautiful birdies around my head? Look at how they fly"

[KuntaSS]

Wayfinders are great for hiding ioun stones, and there are fringe benefits as well.

[blackbloodtroll]

If Disguise Self can make a 6'2" Half-Orc, look like a 3' Gnome, it should be able to hide your Ioun Stone.

[David knott 242]

Kaboogy wrote:

Can you hide the presence of ioun stones by using disguise self?

There is an Ioun Stone in Occult Mysteries (called Western Star at d20pfsrd.com -- the name may or may not be identical in the original source) that lets you cast Disguise Self on yourself and also make all of your Ioun stones (including this one) invisible.

[Ravingdork]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

If Disguise Self can make a 6'2" Half-Orc, look like a 3' Gnome, it should be able to hide your Ioun Stone.

It can't.

Relevant rule: You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between.

[blackbloodtroll]

Ravingdork wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

If Disguise Self can make a 6'2" Half-Orc, look like a 3' Gnome, it should be able to hide your Ioun Stone.

It can't.

Relevant rule: You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between.

Ugh. I was remembering the Cap of Human Guise, which does do this.