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We were running Master of the Fallen Fortress (Tier 1) with 2 other players, the GM running a pregen cleric, and my newly level 2 (oops!) Paladin.
I am relatively new to PFS, but Pathfinder, and more so, 3.0, and 3.5 are old hat. I am helping a store set up a regular PFS event. I have run one event, but I will be taking time off when my son is born so I was training a replacement GM. He has never GMed before, but has played PFS (Level 12 Wizard).
We both missed the fact that I was playing a level 2 character in a Tier 1 adventure.
My existing chronicle sheets are:
- Rise of the Goblin Guilds (never reported online; apparently the group that does the local cons never reports the chronicle sheets)
- We Be Goblins (You be food)
- First Steps: Introduction to Lore (as a GM)
Do I rearrange the chronicle sheets? Lose the Fallen Fortress one (Essentially playing it for no credit. Does that impact the other players?)
I don't mind losing the sheet as long as the other players still get credit.
Thank you.
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Fortunately for you, Master of the Fallen Fortress, for PFS, is considered a Tier 1-2, meaning you can GM or play it unlimited times for level 1 characters (max one chronicle sheet per character), and once for a level two character.
So, you lucked out :)
(WBG is also 1-2, but First Steps is level 1 only, so you definitely lucked out in terms of the order you did these!)
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On the tier 1 encounters (we be goblins, the confirmation, master of the Fallen fortress, etc) you can apply credit once to a lvl 2 character. So as long as this is the first time you are applying one of these scenarios to a 2nd lvl pc, you are good to go.
Granted, I do not know where to reference this exact pfs rule but you are good.
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A player may only play a Tier 1–2 module or sanctioned Adventure Path content for credit once with a 2nd-level character, but may use additional 1st-level characters to replay the same content for credit.
Is Master of the Fallen Fortress tier 1 or 1-2? Should compare this with We Be Goblins, which is definitely a 1-2.
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When Master of the Fallen Fortress was first put out for PFS use, it was originally just Tier 1 (and 0 xp I believe), but over time it's been brought in line with the other Free RPG Day Modules. This discussion comes up on the boards every now and again, so don't worry too much about it, Smite (great handle by the way).
Relevant section the first:
The 16-page, Free RPG Day modules are shorter than
a normal 32-page module and are more in line with a
normal Pathfinder Society Scenario. Currently, these
include Master of the Fallen Fortress, We Be Goblins!, Dawn
of the Scarlet Sun, and We Be Goblins Too! To bring the Free
RPG Day modules more in line with the rest of Pathfinder
Society Organized Play, all current and future sanctioned
Free RPG Day modules will award 1 XP, 1 PP and the gp
amount listed on the Chronicle sheet if using the medium
advancement track.
Relevant section the second:
As always, each player may receive credit for each
module or Adventure Path volume once as a player and
once as a GM, in either order. Players must accept a
Chronicle sheet for their characters the first time they play
any sanctioned content. A player may replay sanctioned
content at the GM’s discretion, but the player may not
receive more than one Chronicle sheet per adventure.
The only exceptions are Tier 1–2 modules and sanctioned
Adventure Path content. A player may only play a Tier 1–2
module or sanctioned Adventure Path content for credit
once with a 2nd-level character, but may use additional
1st-level characters to replay the same content for credit.
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A player may only play a Tier 1–2 module or sanctioned Adventure Path content for credit once with a 2nd-level character, but may use additional 1st-level characters to replay the same content for credit.Is Master of the Fallen Fortress tier 1 or 1-2? Should compare this with We Be Goblins, which is definitely a 1-2.
The guide has, to my knowledge, never made reference to a Tier 1 Module (it has for Tier 1 scenarios, from the First Steps series), but rather only Tier 1-2. That, plus the grouping of all the Free RPG Day Modules in the same paragraph kind of does lump them into the same category :)
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This is an ongoing question actually that has no official answer. You can debate it endlessly, but there's an argument that it was initially sanctioned for Tier 1 and the chronicle sheet never got changed, or that it should follow the new rules for modules even though it was printed before it was written that way.
I've looked through various threads on this and many of them are still inconclusive on the subject.
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I think I remember where I saw the post that clarified it, but even though I'm not on that forum, I was under a NDA when I was, so I'm not allowed to disclose what I may or may not have read.
So, I guess we'll just need to hope for Mike Brock or John Compton to post here.
And, as mentioned, this question has come up repeatedly in the past...
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pncn?Fortress-of-the-Fallen-Question#24 (relatively recent)
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ojwe?Chronicle-sheet-timing-and-Modules (and from my first month playing in PFS, apparently)
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For what it's worth, here in the upper midwest, we allow players one pass through "Master of Fallen Fortress" with a 2nd-level character; it's been that way at every convention I've sat as a MotFF table judge, with Venture Officers serving as coordinators. So far as I know, nobody's ever been called on that at a character audit.
1 XP, 1 PP, gold as written
Incidentally, Smite: welcome to PFS. It's good to have you. (And you might want to let your Venture Officers know about that con where folks don't report.)
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We were running Master of the Fallen Fortress (Tier 1) with 2 other players, the GM running a pregen cleric, and my newly level 2 (oops!) Paladin.
I am relatively new to PFS, but Pathfinder, and more so, 3.0, and 3.5 are old hat. I am helping a store set up a regular PFS event. I have run one event, but I will be taking time off when my son is born so I was training a replacement GM. He has never GMed before, but has played PFS (Level 12 Wizard).
We both missed the fact that I was playing a level 2 character in a Tier 1 adventure.
My existing chronicle sheets are:
- Rise of the Goblin Guilds (never reported online; apparently the group that does the local cons never reports the chronicle sheets)
- We Be Goblins (You be food)
- First Steps: Introduction to Lore (as a GM)
Do I rearrange the chronicle sheets? Lose the Fallen Fortress one (Essentially playing it for no credit. Does that impact the other players?)
I don't mind losing the sheet as long as the other players still get credit.
Thank you.
Hope it works out for you. I had fun playing through the adventure.
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I think I remember where I saw the post that clarified it, but even though I'm not on that forum, I was under a NDA when I was, so I'm not allowed to disclose what I may or may not have read.
So, I guess we'll just need to hope for Mike Brock or John Compton to post here.
And, as mentioned, this question has come up repeatedly in the past...
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pncn?Fortress-of-the-Fallen-Question#24 (relatively recent)
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ojwe?Chronicle-sheet-timing-and-Modules (and from my first month playing in PFS, apparently)
The argument that says you can play MoFF with a level 2 relies upon a strict reading of the Guide that would render The Confirmation not replayable, despite the fact that we know it is.
The text in the Guide that says you can play a module with a character within one level of the module's level is referring to the way they normally sanction modules, but that does not override the rule that you must play a character within the tier of the adventure. As I said before, a level two module is usually sanctioned as Tier 1-3, and a level one module is usually sanctioned as Tier 1-2.
But MoFF was explicitly sanctioned as Tier 1, so you MUST play a level one.
I reply to your blitz with en passant (been playing a lot of chess lately, sorry).
Said strict reading of the guide would normally affect The Confirmation, yes, except...As a Tier 1–2 scenario, The Confirmation can be replayed for credit with 1st-level characters an unlimited number of times. A player may also receive credit for playing and GMing the scenario once each for a 2nd-level character.
I always try to err on the side of what's best for the players in general, whenever there is ambiguity, which there *so* totally is on this one. I agree with Chris - I've never seen any VO say you can't, but unless an official decision is posted one way or the other, all we can do is state our opinions :)
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There is an old thread from Mark Moreland explaining why the chronicle sheet from Masters of the Fallen Fortress won't likely ever be updated. Essentially, because it is a print product and they won't change the PDF unless they change the print product as well.
Remember that Master of the Fallen Fortress is a print product that was released before the playing of Pathfinder Modules was otherwise sanctioned. There are no specific rules attached with the Chronicle for this because the 16-page module didn't have room for it. We tend not to edit print products in their pdf format to keep both formats identical. If we ever do a reprint of this product, we might consider adding in rules for running this as a PFS event, and would update the pdf to match.
Ironically, at the time this was in relation to confirming that the rule was that it could only be played by a brand new PFS character with 0xp. I don't think anyone believes that is still the case (I hope not!). So, when deciding what level characters can legally play an old module, the most recent Guide to Organized play is the best place to look, with the most recent additional resources being second, not the 4 year old chronicle sheet that the developers have confirmed will likely never be updated.