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I see that the chronicle sheet says just Tier 1 not 1-2. Does this mean that level 2's cannot get credit for it?
The reason I ask is that some of the GM's at my local store said there were enough repeatable adventures to get your players to level two. What are those 6 adventures?
Thanks you guys you are amazing.
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I believe you are referring to Master of the Fallen Fortress. If you are, it is for brand new 1st level PCs ONLY. No PCs may have a Chronicle applied to them prior to playing this adventure. Master of the Fallen Fortress was written 3 years ago and is an artifact of earlier in the campaign. Nothing since has those kind of restrictions on it. It also does not grant any PP, since the assumption is the PCs are not members of the Pathfinder Society when they begin the adventure. That makes it an unpopular choice. I still think it is a better adventure than any of the First Steps when you introduce players to the Pathfinder RPG.
PFS characters need 3 XP to level up.
Master of the Fallen Fortress nets you 1 XP and takes about 5 hours to play.
The First Steps (In Service to Lore, To Delve the Dungeon Deep, and A Vision of Betrayal) series nets you 3 XP and requires 10-15 hours.
The Godsmouth Heresy is a full-length module, repeatable for 1st level characters (playable once for 2nd levels) and nets you 3 XP, taking about 8-10 hours to play.
Crypt of the Everflame and Murder's Mark are also full-length modules and use the same play rules as Godsmouth Heresy.
Also, I think Thornkeep is replayable but I'm not familiar with it.
Will hyperlink these, give me a moment
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Doug...that was absolutely the one I was talking about. Crap I did not know about that restriction. I just remember a local GM saying there were enough repeatable adventures to get to level 3. I know that Season 3 had those 3 beginner adventures and there is We be goblins!. What else out there is repeatable?
Thanks so much for correcting my scenario name, for some reason I keep getting the name mixed up wiht that Terry Goodkind book. *Facepalm*
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I agree with Doug. I much prefer MFF to first steps. I just wish they would fix the PP issue and give you a retroactive 1-2PP. It would have been neat to see MFF used as the first scenario of an introduction set instead of creating one from scratch and leaving MFF out to dry.
As far as repeat scenarios (i.e. those that you can apply to each of your lvl 1's):
First steps parts 1-3
Master of the Fallen Fortress
We be Goblins
Godsmouth Heresy
Murder's Mark
Crypt of the Everflame
Thornkeep: The accursed halls
Edit: Dang it Doug....you edit ninja'd me. But you forgot Thornkeep!
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Thanks Doug for some reason that list did not come up at first. That was odd. It literally only showed half of your post. Did you edit in the list?
So If you run the Godsmouth Heresy at level 1 can your run the 1st steps for level two? I was pretty sure 1st steps was level 1 only not tier 1-2.
The reason I ask all this is because I am a GM on a tight budget and if I can reuse adventures for the home game I would like too. And still get the players some xp for their new characters.
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Actually Doug, players get 1 PP now in Master of the Fallen Fortress. This is per the newest Guide to PFS, p. 31.
I believe the restriction of having to be a "brand-new out of the box" PC has been lifted as well by PF management. This was done to avoid confusion. Sadly I don't have a link to this reference currently.
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Actually Doug, players get 1 PP now in Master of the Fallen Fortress. This is per the newest Guide to PFS, p. 31.
I believe the restriction of having to be a "brand-new out of the box" PC has been lifted as well by PF management. This was done to avoid confusion. Sadly I don't have a link to this reference currently.
Thanks Nebten, I believe you. I hadn't realized that. I must have got tired of reading Guides.
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Thanks Lab....looks like most of this can't be repeatable for 2nd level right?
No.
Any of the options can be played repeatably at first lvl and applied to separate 1st level characters. Some of the options (The modules) can be played once at second level. Once you play it at second level you can not get player credit for it at second level ever again.
Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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So even Goblins and Thornkeep cannot be redone at 2nd level?I believe that's correct. They can be played for credit multiple times with (different) level 1 characters, but can only be played once for credit for a level 2 character.
Mike is correct. Also, for clarification only the first level of Thornkeep, which is tier 1-2, is replayable, and only playable once at 2nd level. The other four levels of that dungeon are higher level (3, 4, 6, and 7) and can only be played once for credit, period.
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Correct the restriction of Brand New level 1 only for Master of the Fallen Fortress was never codified and mention of Level on Modules were added to the Guide they only talk about them being played by Level 1 and 2 characters. So Master of the Fallen Fortress can be played by both level 1 and 2.
That said it can only be replayed by a level 1 PC.
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It is not Tier 1-2.
It is only playable by level 1s, for 1xp and 1pp.
It's a level 1 module.
Modules are legal to play with a character that is within 1 level of starting level of the module, ergo it can be played by level 1 or 2 characters.
EDIT:
BlogLegal Pathfinder Society Characters
Players have the following three options when playing sanctioned modules for Pathfinder Society:
A player must use an existing Pathfinder Society character (without modification) within one level of the module’s starting level.
For modules below 9th level, a player who does not have a character in the correct level range may use a Pathfinder Society pregenerated character available on paizo.com. In this case, the chronicle sheet must be linked to an existing Pathfinder Society character and applied when that character reaches the level of the module. The linked character must be declared before play begins and recorded on the scenario reporting sheet.
As mentioned in Chapter 5 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, if you have already played the sanctioned module and wish to play it an additional time for any reason, you must inform the GM that you have already played the sanctioned module. If you spoil the plot for the other players at the table, the GM has the right to ask you to leave. You are free to replay the sanctioned module in order to meet a minimum PC requirement (see Chapter 7), but if you already have received a player Chronicle for this sanctioned module for any of your PCs, you do not earn any additional rewards beyond having a good time. The Tier 1 exception still applies for Tier 1-—2 modules.
This has not been changed by language in the Guide, it's just no longer spelled out completely in Season 5's guide.
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Okay, that was my understanding as a generality. I was wondering, since the module itself explicitly only states Tier 1, Paizo must have issued some sort of ruling/FAQ later on regarding how those types of Tier 1 scenarios should work moving forward. But, maybe that's moot, since it seems the overwhelming consensus is to deal with it as any other Tier 1-2. Thanks.
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I disagree that the "overwhelming consensus" is that it is a Tier 1-2 module. The Chronicle does not state that, the Guide does not clarify it, and in a year and a half of running/playing it across two states and several Conventions I've never seen level 2s allowed.
It's level 1 only, unless someone higher up specifically says otherwise.
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Like the Blog by Mike Brock quoted a couple of posts up? It's a couple of years old, but nothing in Season 5's Guide changed the base rules on who can play sanctioned modules.
It's level 1 only, unless someone higher up specifically says otherwise.
I had missed your edit, but upon reading it now, I still disagree.
Everything that blog talks about, every example given, is of a 3xp/4pp sanctioned module.
The types you have to download a separate Chronicle for, because they were not created for Pathfinder Society.
Master of the Fallen Fortress is different. It's a 1xp scenario that is a "module" in name only. The Chronicle has never been updated to reflect that it is Tier 1-2. And it isn't.
Again, unless someone higher up specifically calls this example out otherwise, it is to be treated no different than what the Chronicle sheet says. You can't just make something up, when in print is says what it is.
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Like the Blog by Mike Brock quoted a couple of posts up? It's a couple of years old, but nothing in Season 5's Guide changed the base rules on who can play sanctioned modules.
It's level 1 only, unless someone higher up specifically says otherwise.I had missed your edit, but upon reading it now, I still disagree.
Everything that blog talks about, every example given, is of a 3xp/4pp sanctioned module.
The types you have to download a separate Chronicle for, because they were not created for Pathfinder Society.
Master of the Fallen Fortress is different. It's a 1xp scenario that is a "module" in name only. The Chronicle has never been updated to reflect that it is Tier 1-2. And it isn't.
Again, unless someone higher up specifically calls this example out otherwise, it is to be treated no different than what the Chronicle sheet says. You can't just make something up, when in print is says what it is.
They made the change to make ALL modules follow the same rules. THIS is actually called out in the Guide that this is treated as any other Free RPG Day module.
Free RPG Day Modules
The 16-page, Free RPG Day modules are shorter than
a normal 32-page module and are more in line with a
normal Pathfinder Society Scenario. Currently, these
include Master of the Fallen Fortress, We Be Goblins!, Dawn
of the Scarlet Sun, and We Be Goblins Too! To bring the Free
RPG Day modules more in line with the rest of Pathfinder
Society Organized Play, all current and future sanctioned
Free RPG Day modules will award 1 XP, 1 PP and the gp
amount listed on the Chronicle sheet if using the medium
advancement track. If using the slow advancement
track, they award 1/2 XP, 1/2 PP and half the gp listed
on the Chronicle sheet. These apply only on successful
completion of the adventure. If you have played any of the
Free RPG Day modules listed above and been awarded
Chronicle sheets for them, the XP, Prestige Points, and
gp you received remain unchanged. All other rules for
sanctioned module play, found in Chapter 6 of the Guide to
Pathfinder Society Organized Play, should be followed.
What they do not call out in the Guide is what levels you can play in ANY of the modules. For that, you have to refer back to the most recent clarification that can be found (i.e. the Blog above is what I can find).
All players must use an existing Pathfinder Society character
(without modification) within 1 level of the starting level
of the sanctioned content from a Pathfinder Module or
Pathfinder Adventure Path.
This bit was remove between version 4.3 and version 5.0, by mistake it appears, as there are no actual rules placed as to what characters can play in any module. It has been subsumed to use the most recent rule, pending a clarification or change.
I'm not making things up, I'm parsing it through it's life time. The chronicle sheet that says Tier 1 is from 2010. The Blog is from 2011. Guide 4.3 is from 2013, as is Guide 5.0. Following changes over the life time of the product is not "making something up" as you accuse me of doing.
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I can also tell you at sanctioned local play, there was a level 2 at our table. There was zero discussion or contention mentioned because the module simply says Tier 1. Someone else mentioned that it's only for 0XP characters. It would be interesting to get an official call on this. By "overwhelming consensus", I mean just about every mention of the allowable levels and the offered game play online has been for Tier 1-2.
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It is an interesting case. There are no other 1st level Free RPG Day modules to compare to Master of the Fallen Fortress. It was the first module sanctioned for PFS and it came with strict guidelines. It has become a corner case not really worth the time of the campaign staff. I lean toward Nefreet's view that the Chronicle says Tier 1. Having been wrong before, I am prepared to be corrected. I think that a 2nd level PC would dominate the module. Heck, a 1st level PC with a wand of cure light wounds would dominate the module. I think one of the coolest challenges of MotFF is the lack of healing available. The bottom line is don't expect a ruling and try to have fun--this is a game after all.
As far as repeat scenarios (i.e. those that you can apply to each of your lvl 1's):
First steps parts 1-3
Master of the Fallen Fortress
We be Goblins
Godsmouth Heresy
Murder's Mark
Crypt of the Everflame
Thornkeep: The accursed hallsEdit: Dang it Doug....you edit ninja'd me. But you forgot Thornkeep!
From my reading, it appears some of the "start" adventures from the various sanctioned Adventure Paths also qualify?
-j
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Which is precisely why I wanted to see if there was some sort of official ruling on this due to the Chronicle Sheet only stating Tier 1. I thought that was a bit unusual.
What we mean when we say Tier is what is listed on the Chronicle sheet. If you look at, say Crypt of the Everflame, on the Chronicle it says Tier 1-2. When you look at Master of the Fallen Fortress the Chronicle says Tier 1. That's where 95% of the confusion comes from.
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Guys, we are going in circles here. It's obvious that a position has been taken. Restating it won't change anything. This module is a corner case and I doubt that Mike or John are going to weigh in on it. If you really want an answer then start a new thread with a clearly composed question and encourage people to hit the FAQ button. Otherwise, this conversation is a waste of time.
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I also hit the FAQ on Doug's response. I hope there's something official.
Guys, we are going in circles here. It's obvious that a position has been taken. Restating it won't change anything. This module is a corner case and I doubt that Mike or John are going to weigh in on it. If you really want an answer then start a new thread with a clearly composed question and encourage people to hit the FAQ button. Otherwise, this conversation is a waste of time.ok, hit FAQ on this thread... it is the OP question above.
(first line in this thread was "I see that the chronicle sheet says just Tier 1 not 1-2. Does this mean that level 2's cannot get credit for it?")
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Which is precisely why I wanted to see if there was some sort of official ruling on this due to the Chronicle Sheet only stating Tier 1. I thought that was a bit unusual.When in doubt, you go with what's printed on the Chronicle.
Not always true. Remember the previous discussion about gloves of dexterity +2?
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Which is precisely why I wanted to see if there was some sort of official ruling on this due to the Chronicle Sheet only stating Tier 1. I thought that was a bit unusual.When in doubt, you go with what's printed on the Chronicle.
Oddly enough, you are incorrect, especially for MotFF. You go by what is in the Guide, which includes MotFF as a Tier 1-2 replayable Free RPG Day module.
If you go by the Chronicle for MotFF, you also would not be giving out the 1 PP which it now gives.
Also note, MotFF is NOT the only Tier 1-2 Free RPG Day module, We Be Goblins! is a 1st level module, too.
Note that, as mentioned, the MotFF Chronicle sheet is from 2010, several campaign coordinators ago. The PTB have modified the rewards and the options away from the antique chronicle, the chronicle has just never been updated.
Currently, the only replayable scenario or module limited to only 1st level PCs is First Steps, Part 1: In Service to Lore. Even the Confirmation follows the Tier 1-2 rules, even though its chronicle, IIRC, also only lists Tier 1.
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For whatever reason, WBG actually has a chronicle sheet with Tier 1-2 explicitly listed, but MotFF does not.
Unless I get an official ruling, I'm assuming this falls under Tier 1-2 rules and will allow a level 2 to play. However, I will strongly encourage all players to bring in a level 1 if at all possible.
Which is precisely why I wanted to see if there was some sort of official ruling on this due to the Chronicle Sheet only stating Tier 1. I thought that was a bit unusual.When in doubt, you go with what's printed on the Chronicle.Oddly enough, you are incorrect, especially for MotFF. You go by what is in the Guide, which includes MotFF as a Tier 1-2 replayable Free RPG Day module.
If you go by the Chronicle for MotFF, you also would not be giving out the 1 PP which it now gives.
Also note, MotFF is NOT the only Tier 1-2 Free RPG Day module, We Be Goblins! is a 1st level module, too.
Note that, as mentioned, the MotFF Chronicle sheet is from 2010, several campaign coordinators ago. The PTB have modified the rewards and the options away from the antique chronicle, the chronicle has just never been updated.
Currently, the only replayable scenario or module limited to only 1st level PCs is First Steps, Part 1: In Service to Lore. Even the Confirmation follows the Tier 1-2 rules, even though its chronicle, IIRC, also only lists Tier 1.