if you used undead anatomy to turn into a shadow


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Are you doing strength damage?


Undead Anatomy wrote:
you can assume the form of any Small or Medium corporeal creature of the undead type

Shadows don't qualify as an acceptable form, lacking the corporeal quality.

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Rogar Stonebow wrote:
Are you doing strength damage?

No, you don't get this ability:

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Strength Damage (Su) A shadow's touch deals 1d6 points of Strength damage to a living creature. This is a negative energy effect. A creature dies if this Strength damage equals or exceeds its actual Strength score.

in this list of abilities:

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Undead Anatomy IV

This spell functions as undead anatomy III, except it allows you to use more abilities. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: burrow 60 feet, climb 90 feet, fly 120 feet (good maneuverability), swim 120 feet, blindsense 60 feet, darkvision 90 feet, lifesense 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, tremorsense 60 feet, breath weapon, constrict, DR 10/magic and silver, DR 15/bludgeoning and magic, fast healing 5, fiery death, fire aura, grab, incorporeal, jet, poison, pounce, rake, rend, roar, spikes, trample, trip, and web.

So ultimately your shadow becomes:

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Melee incorporeal touch +4 (nothing)


James Risner wrote:

So ultimately your shadow becomes:

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Melee incorporeal touch +4 (nothing)

Well....from the sounds of that....you could just remove the 'melee incorporeal touch +4' bit and just say 'your shadow becomes: nothing'. I mean, the shadow fairly much relies upon 2 tricks (incorporeal and strength damage), and this spell can do neither of those things.

Well, that and spawning. But very few things give you full control of that anyway, for obvious gameplay reasons.

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Why are you not just casting Shadow Projection? Spell level 4 Vs spell level 3, but so much better anyway.


Well i was thinking what all i could do with undead anatomy 4. Im pretty sure i want to use the large white dragon as a ravenor. All though the bestiary only has collossal sized ravenors, im pretty sure he will allow it.


Being incorporeal is pretty potent even if you can't do much else. Lots of potential for much sneakiness or use a ghost touch weapon for fun and profit.


Rogar Stonebow wrote:
Well i was thinking what all i could do with undead anatomy 4. Im pretty sure i want to use the large white dragon as a ravenor. All though the bestiary only has collossal sized ravenors, im pretty sure he will allow it.

Doesn't matter the size, as it is actually impossible. Polymorph spells and abilities can not be used to take the form of something with a template, and Ravener is a template. (Plus, the smallest size of dragon you can apply the ravener template to is Huge, as it requires a dragon of ancient age, all of which are 4 size categories larger than a wyrmling. The smallest wyrmlings are Tiny, so the smallest raveners are Huge.)

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Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.


Well bestiary 4 has one listed. And the dm is allowing it.


Rogar Stonebow wrote:
Well bestiary 4 has one listed. And the dm is allowing it.

Or was it undead revisited...


I guess that excludes skeletons and zombies and vampires and....


Rogar Stonebow wrote:
I guess that excludes skeletons and zombies and vampires and....

By the rules as they appear in the book, yes it does. Obviously thats a problem in this case, especially since Undead Anatomy mentions skeletons and zombies. You could argue that since skeletons and zombies are specifically mentioned in the spell, that they are acceptable forms to turn into. I would definitely allow it.

Besides, Undead Anatomy can not let you take the form of a ravener. Undead Anatomy 1 very clearly states:

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When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium corporeal creature of the undead type, which must be vaguely humanoid-shaped (like a ghoul, skeleton, or zombie).

All other Undead Anatomy spells work like Undead Anatomy 1, with the exceptions listed in the spells. None mention being able to take non-humanoid shapes.


Jeraa wrote:
Rogar Stonebow wrote:
I guess that excludes skeletons and zombies and vampires and....

By the rules as they appear in the book, yes it does. Obviously thats a problem in this case, especially since Undead Anatomy mentions skeletons and zombies. You could argue that since skeletons and zombies are specifically mentioned in the spell, that they are acceptable forms to turn into. I would definitely allow it.

Besides, Undead Anatomy can not let you take the form of a ravener. Undead Anatomy 1 very clearly states:

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When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium corporeal creature of the undead type, which must be vaguely humanoid-shaped (like a ghoul, skeleton, or zombie).
All other Undead Anatomy spells work like Undead Anatomy 1, with the exceptions listed in the spells. None mention being able to take non-humanoid shapes.

yeah.. true about about the humanoid shape...

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