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I'm sure this has been asked somewhere, but my google-fu is too weak to find the right combo of words to find the thread.
So basically I'm trying to make a elf ninja and the favored class section caught my eye, but it ONLY mentions rogue talents so since ninja is a archetype/variant of rogue does this apply in anyway to ninja tricks? (this also goes hand-in-hand with the extra ninja talent feat.
This is for a character that is registered with the PFS so I do need a official ruling on this if possible.
Reference: ARG page 23
"Rogue: Add +1 to the number of times per day the
rogue can cast a cantrip or 1st-level spell gained from the
minor magic or major magic talent. The number of times
this bonus is selected for the major magic talent cannot
exceed the number of times it is selected for the minor
magic talent. The rogue must possess the associated
rogue talent to select these options."
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Yes. Ninja/Samurai/Antipaladin are each 20 level archetypes of their respective core classes.
HERE is Lead Designer Jason Bulmahn's explanation.
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What does he mean by rule niches? I have a better understanding of what they did to make them and how they went about it, but it doesn't mention anything about the alternate class features and feats.
I actually found something after I posted this (go figure huh?) " A character who takes an alternate class feature does not count as having the class feature that was replaced when meeting any requirements or prerequisites." So that would make me feel like they DONT get any bonuses from things like the elven favored class or feats like extra rouge talent, but alternate classes also seem to have different rules about them so it makes me double guess myself.
I they dont get special feats or exceptions so they can take class based feats (i.e. extra rouge talent) this raises the question of balance to me. it makes it seem like the alternate classes would be at a large feat disadvantage if this is true. Can someone confirm or deny my guess? (again looking for PFS rules/rulings here if possible please and thank you)
In general the class feature thing is clear. Howeverbin some cases the class feature has only been rrenamed for thematic reasons.
So in this case I'm reasonably confident in pfs you can get the extra rogue talent from favored class.
However for the record the loss of the favoured class isn't that much as it is only two tricks over your whole pfs career.
One of the Ninja Tricks, which you are right replace Rogue Talents ability, allows you to choose a Rogue Talent. So, you would still have access to the minor and major magic Rogue Talents, which is what is modified by your FCB.
Note, you could only choose this FCB once you had gained the requisite minor or major magic talent.
So what about feats like extra rogue talent? Can I use that feat for a ninja trick? or do I just kind of lose out over all? (If I lose out I think there should be a extra ninja trick feat honestly)
You lose out on the ability to take extra rogue talent, since you don't actually have that class ability. It's been a couple of years since it came out, but I remember one of the developers say pretty much the same thing (there SHOULD have been an extra ninja trick feat in the book)...it just got missed unfortunately.
EDIT:If it wasn't PFS, I'd allow it, but unfortunately, it's just not there, at least as I read it. Others may come to a different conclusion.
I've read developer statements that ninja can take extra rogue talent. Which is where slot of my precious opinion came from. However I forget where I read this .