flurry of blows, and daggers?

[nekoyami]

I have been thinking of making a monk/rogue, but I'm not sure if you can FoB with daggers.

If it's not possible by basic class rules/abilities, is there a feat for this?

[Pupsocket]

Dagger is not a Monk weapon, so no flurry. But you can take a level of Cleric (any deity with favored weapon: dagger) and the Crusader's Flurry feat.

[nekoyami]

Cool, ty :-)

[Khrysaor]

Sohei monk can flurry with daggers at level 6. Daggers are in the thrown weapon group. I'm sure it's intended to throw them, but I don't think it explicitly says you have to. You just have weapon training with daggers and can flurry with them.

[PD]

I can't remember off the top of my head, but you might be able to Flurry using Sai?

[Umbranus]

Sai, butterfly sword, Lungchuan Tamo are all light bladed weapons (and by that similar to the dagger) that monks can flurry with.

The sai has no edge, only a point. The butterfly sword has a very broad but short blade and the Lungchuan Tamo is a baton containing two slender daggers.

[lemeres]

Umbranus wrote:

Sai, butterfly sword, Lungchuan Tamo are all light bladed weapons (and by that similar to the dagger) that monks can flurry with.

The sai has no edge, only a point. The butterfly sword has a very broad but short blade and the Lungchuan Tamo is a baton containing two slender daggers.

I'll note this-sai aren't really daggers at all. I know that they are often depicted as such in media, but really, they are just batons, much like Jitte. And mechanically, that is what Paizo went with, since they only do bludgeoning.

But yeah, Lungchuan Tamo are pretty much exactly what was asked for. They are daggers that trade away their decent crit (they only have x2) in order to become flurriable.

[Kazaan]

What I'd like to ask is why daggers, specifically? Rogues can sneak attack with any weapon, from a dagger to a Large Bastard Sword. Does this have anything to do with the River Rat trait which gives you +1 bonus damage w/ daggers? If that's the case, yes you have to use that one specific weapon called the 'Dagger' and "dagger-like" isn't sufficient. In that case, your only options that I can think of are either Sohei or Crusader's Flurry. Keep in mind that you can hold a dagger but still flurry with other weapons or Unarmed Strikes that you have available. So you can sneak up and attack as a standard Attack action with the dagger to benefit from River Rat (if that's applicable), then Flurry with the Sai (or other light/one-handed Monk weapon in your other hand) and/or Unarmed Strikes and the presence of the Dagger in your hand is a non-issue; it doesn't prevent you from using FoB.

[Imbicatus]

lemeres wrote:

But yeah, Lungchuan Tamo are pretty much exactly what was asked for. They are daggers that trade away their decent crit (they only have x2) in order to become flurriable.

Unfortunately, as a Martial weapon, a Monk/Rogue multiclass would not have proficiency in the Lungchuan Tamo.

Monks do not automatically gain proficiency in all monk weapons.

[Issac Daneil]

If the Rogue is a Swashbuckler rogue, then at level 1, they trade out Trapfinding for 1 martial weapon prof. Could solve the issue there.

[Kolokotroni]

nekoyami wrote:

I have been thinking of making a monk/rogue, but I'm not sure if you can FoB with daggers.

If it's not possible by basic class rules/abilities, is there a feat for this?

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[lemeres]

Imbicatus wrote:

lemeres wrote:

But yeah, Lungchuan Tamo are pretty much exactly what was asked for. They are daggers that trade away their decent crit (they only have x2) in order to become flurriable.

Unfortunately, as a Martial weapon, a Monk/Rogue multiclass would not have proficiency in the Lungchuan Tamo.

Monks do not automatically gain proficiency in all monk weapons.

Sohei get martial proficiency though. And lets face it-it is a much better choice for a multiclass since it can allow you to flurry in light armor. That allows you to be viable early on without having to rely on high dex/wis or a bunch of magical boosters you can't afford yet.

[Imbicatus]

True. And it's not like a Monk/Rogue doesn't need all the help it can get.