Ok i was looking at Improved Eldritch Heritage. And thought that a Lvl 1 sorcerer already has all the Benefits of its Prerequisites Eldritch Heritage just as class features. No assuming he had the Proper Skill focus as per the Eldritch heritage feat Would he qualify for Improved eldrich heritage feat assuming he multiclassed into something else and stopped advancing as a sorcerer?
Nope. He has to take the feats.
i was under the impression that 3.5 rules still exist except for where they contradict pathfinder.
Nope. Pathfinder is its own system now.
i was under the impression that 3.5 rules still exist except for where they contradict pathfinder.
Nope. PF is not 3.75. Your GM may allow 3.5 feats if he wants since the systems are compatible, but for official purposes only things made by Paizo count as Pathfinder abilities.
edit: Most 3.5 rulings do apply unless Paizo says otherwise, meaning you can use 3.5 as evidence for a ruling, but it is not proof of a ruling.
have they forbade virtual feats?
have they forbade virtual feats?
Per the rules you must meet the prereqs. That was the same in 3.5.
Example: If you need medium armor proficiency to qualify for another feat then being "proficient" is all that matters. It does not matter if you are proficient due to a class ability or a feat.
However if ability X says you need "feat Y", it does not matter if you can duplicate an affect similar to "feat y", you do not qualify. You actually need "feat y". Some GM's are nice enough, that they might allow it anyway, but it would not be rules legal.
Pathfinder only considers "Pathfinder" material as official.<---That is why even similar systems like 3.5 have to be houseruled in by a GM. I think you are looking at PF as an extension of 3.5, but for all official purposes it is not.
hmm ok i think i get it now. thank you.
how would you use this feat anyway, you need to be two levels higher than the required sorc level.
Well if virtual feats did exist than you would take improved eldrich heritage at a higher level (11th) But sense it appears virtual feats no longer exist than its a moot point.
Well if virtual feats did exist than you would take improved eldrich heritage at a higher level (11th) But sense it appears virtual feats no longer exist than its a moot point.
Actually there was never a such thing as "virtual feats", and even if there were the eldritch line requirement is not for sorcerer levels but for the actual other feats in the line, so it still would not work.
There is a difference between "eldrich heritage" and "must be able to access bloodline ability _____".
The feat line does not care about what you have access to. It just so happens that the previous feat gives you a bloodline ability.
But haveing the class, Skill focus and being third level Gives you every benefit (and than some) of haveing eldrich heritage. ANyway your probably right about the feats though i am pretty sure virtual feats were a thing in 3.0 - 3.5
But haveing the class, Skill focus and being third level Gives you every benefit (and than some) of haveing eldrich heritage. ANyway your probably right about the feats though i am pretty sure virtual feats were a thing in 3.0 - 3.5
Nope, there were no virtual feats. You had to meet the listed prereqs.
edit: 3.5 rules<---official rules.
PS: I also have the rules compendium which is clarification on most of the 3.5 rules that existed, and access to most splat books. No virtual feats are mentioned.
Virtual Feats are a thing, and they still exist even in Pathfinder, but you are mistaken on their interpretation. Here is the definition
If you effectively have a feat as a class feature or special ability, then you can use that virtual feat as a prerequisite for other feats. What does this mean? If you have, for example, some class feature or ability that says, "This is the same as Mobility," then you are considered to have the Mobility feat for the purposes of acquiring the Spring Attack feat. If you ever lose that virtual prerequisite, you also lose access to any feats you acquired through its existence.
This means for example a ranger who gets 2WF with his combat style respect the prerequisite of Improved 2WF and can take it with his normal talents even if what he has is "combat style" and not "2WF".
Still, the virtual equivalency must be explicitly mentioned.
One of those cases where they probably should have described the ability as 'grants xxx as a bonus feat'. A character has no concept of 'feats' vs 'abilities'... If he knows how to do a thing at a basic level, and wants to get better at doing this thing, he shouldn't have to relearn how to do the thing at a basic level first.
If it were my table, I'd rule that it met the pre-req - in fact, i'd rule he class ability granted the feat. But I don't live by RAW.
HOWEVER: when dealing with the eldritch heritage line, this is not necessarily the case. A sorcerer does NOT have the Eldritch Heritage feat, as Eldritch Heritage has to be take with a bloodline you do not already have. This Eldritch Heritage is a separate bloodline from your sorcerer's empowering bloodline.