Hey guys, know this has been hammered to death but I could've sworn there was a dev comment on this somewhere, and I can't find it.
When invisible does moving through a threatened square within 5 feet of a creature with scent provoke? while were at it what about blind sense? Does anyone have a link on this? My googlefu is weak and I can't find it. Regards!
No. Concealment protects you from all attacks of opportunity - unless they have a way to negate the concealment from invisibility (true seeing, blindsight, what have you) then there is no AOO.
+1.
Even Scent, Blindsense, or Tremorsense which can pinpoint where the target is located don't negate the concealment.
No AoO.
No aoo. You need blindsight to see something invisible that well.
Ok, I know that but does anyone have a link? My VC thinks he can, and he says people on the boards are wrong, anything from a dev?
Hey guys, know this has been hammered to death but I could've sworn there was a dev comment on this somewhere, and I can't find it.
When invisible does moving through a threatened square within 5 feet of a creature with scent provoke? while were at it what about blind sense? Does anyone have a link on this? My googlefu is weak and I can't find it. Regards!
I'll find the specific quote in a few minutes...Scent detects the presence of a creature either in a rain drop shape or a circle depending on wind. (No wind = circle; wind = rain drop). When within 5 feet of an invisible creature, the thing with scent knows exactly where the invisible creature is. If the scent creature knows exactly, then there is no miss chance. This is not a dev thing. This is not a FAQ thing. This is a book rule thing.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/glossary.html#_scent
"If the creature moves within 5 feet (1 square) of the scent's source, the creature can pinpoint the area that the source occupies, even if it cannot be seen."
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalMonsters/universalMonsterRules .html#_scent
"When the creature is within 5 feet of the source, it pinpoints the source's location."
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advanced/baseClasses/summoner.html#_scen t
"The eidolon can pinpoint the creature's location if it is within 5 feet."
The universal words within scent is: when the target is within 5 feet, the creature with scent can pinpoint the target's location.
I'll find the specific quote in a few minutes...Scent detects the presence of a creature either in a rain drop shape or a circle depending on wind. (No wind = circle; wind = rain drop). When within 5 feet of an invisible creature, the thing with scent knows exactly where the invisible creature is. If the scent creature knows exactly, then there is no miss chance. This is not a dev thing. This is not a FAQ thing. This is a book rule thing.Hey guys, know this has been hammered to death but I could've sworn there was a dev comment on this somewhere, and I can't find it.
When invisible does moving through a threatened square within 5 feet of a creature with scent provoke? while were at it what about blind sense? Does anyone have a link on this? My googlefu is weak and I can't find it. Regards!
Just because you know its location doesnt tell you they are casting a spell or making a ranged attack. Neither does it tell you if they are leaving that square until after you left it.
Even with scent you roll a miss chance when attacking due to concealment. Same with blindsense. Concealment rules state that you get zero aoo when target is concealed.
Just because you know its location doesn't tell you they are casting a spell or making a ranged attack. Neither does it tell you if they are leaving that square until after you left it.
Fail?
Do you understand what pinpointing a target means?
Pinpointing in pathfinder/D&D just means you know the square they are in. You can find that with a perception check, with no special abilities. Knowing what square they are in does not mean you know what they are doing, and can track their every action.
*sigh* This is another one of those 'I'm going to say your wrong no matter what you say and make you search up all the information until you disprove my bias standpoint' threads.
Concealment isn't always effective. An area of dim lighting or darkness doesn't provide any concealment against an opponent with darkvision. Characters with low-light vision can see clearly for a greater distance than other characters with the same light source. Although invisibility provides total concealment, sighted opponents may still make Perception checks to notice the location of an invisible character. An invisible character gains a +20 bonus on Stealth checks if moving, or a +40 bonus on Stealth checks when not moving (even though opponents can't see you, they might be able to figure out where you are from other visual or auditory clues).
To repeat:
(even though opponents can't see you, they might be able to figure out where you are from other visual or auditory clues).
Clues like scent. Scent pinpoints targets within 5 feet.
verb (used with object)
to locate or describe exactly or precisely: to pinpoint the problem.
(When within 5 feet)
1)Scent locates exactly where the target is.2)If a creature is moving around as if casting a spell or using a ranged attack, the creature with scent can locate exactly where the target is moving as it moves (as long as it stays within 5 feet).
3)If the target has total concealment, scent negates that effect.
4)Creatures who have their concealment negated provoke attacks of opportunity.
Umm what nosig and wraithstrike said. They say whats in my head better than i do.
Just so you know I am not making anything up.
Even once a character has pinpointed the square that contains an invisible creature, the creature still benefits from total concealment (50% miss chance).
That means the creature still can not be seen. If you can't see someone you can not make AoO's against them.
And just in case that is not enough..
You can't execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with total concealment, even if you know what square or squares the opponent occupies.
Even once a character has pinpointed the square that contains an invisible creature,
Fantastic. There is a difference between the square the target occupies and the location the target occupies.
And just in case that is not enough..
You can't execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with total concealment, even if you know what square or squares the opponent occupies.
What if you know what color shoes they are wearing (taupe) and you really hate taupe.
I don't see any rules against that.
Even once a character has pinpointed the square that contains an invisible creature,Fantastic. There is a difference between the square the target occupies and the location the target occupies.
Wow really Sarrah? Your making that distinction? Just wow.
I don't feel like arguing with stupid anymore. Have a good night.
Even once a character has pinpointed the square that contains an invisible creature,Fantastic. There is a difference between the square the target occupies and the location the target occupies.
The perception check is not against the square. Squares can't hide. The rule is saying that once you find the square an invisible creature is hiding in that you still can't make AoO's against the creature.
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Calling people stupid, and being upset the rules don't agree with them. Well anyway I have found the rules for the OP.. My job is done here. :)
If it matters to anyone..
Pinpoint in the game means "determine a creature's square." It's one of those times where the game rule's definition of the word isn't the same as the common definition.
OK... Now I am done.. :)
If it matters to anyone..
OK... Now I am done.. :)Pinpoint in the game means "determine a creature's square." It's one of those times where the game rule's definition of the word isn't the same as the common definition.
HEHE....
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Even once a character has pinpointed the square that contains an invisible creature,Fantastic. There is a difference between the square the target occupies and the location the target occupies.
In pathfinder game mechanics? No, actually there is no distinction.
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Alright thanks guys. I'll compile this information and hopefully it enough. Appreciate all the input.
And just in case that is not enough..
You can't execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with total concealment, even if you know what square or squares the opponent occupies.
+1 to this. Also, the insults are really unnecessary.