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I am currently building a magus for my next campaign. I would like to take three archetypes that don't seem to crossover but I'm not sure. The wording is weird.
Staff Magus
Spire Defender
Card Caster (Harrow Handbook)
Clearly trying to build an elven version of Gambit here.
So the issue I'm having is this: Staff Magus gets ride of the medium and heavy armor class abilities to cast while wearing these types of armor. Spire defender gets rid of armor proficiencies but leaves the door open to take the proficiencies at a later time once you've reached those levels.
Here's the wording of Spire Defender:
At 1st level, the spire defender gains Combat Expertise and Dodge as bonus feats, even if he doesn’t meet the prerequisites. The spire defender is not proficient in any kind of armor or shield. The spire defender does not have the magus’ ability to ignore arcane spell failure from armor; however, if the spire defender becomes proficient in light armor, he automatically gains the magus’s ability to ignore the arcane spell failure chance of light armor. If he becomes proficient in medium armor, at 7th level he ignores medium armor’s chance of arcane spell failure. If he becomes proficient in heavy armor, at 13th level he ignores heavy armor’s chance of arcane spell failure.
For me it's the wording of leaving the door open later on to take advatange of the class abilities if I choose to take the proficiencies that's bugging me. I feel like one is really trying to get rid of the proficiencies and one is clsing the door entirely on going down that road with anything but light armor.
Please let me know your thoughts and it would be great to get a paizo staff ruling on this one.
What is the question. If you Can combine them? Not by the rules( they both modify armor prof). But i would allow it if you spend a feat at 7 and 13 to buy it back and spend it on the staff magus stuff.
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So, by the rules, you can't take Spire Defender and Staff Magus. They are mutually exclusive since they both modify your armor proficiencies.
What CD is saying that in his home game, he'd houserule it and allow you to "buy back" the Staff Magus abilities by spending the feats at the levels you would have gotten what you gave up for the Spire Defender archetype.
To be clear though, the rule on archetypes is that you take every archetype you're going to take at level 1, and you can't take 2 archetypes that both exchange or alter the same ability.
Pathfinder Society houserules this that you don't have to decide on an archetype until you hit the first level it exchanges something, but even then you take all of the features, even potential future ones, so if both archetypes replace a 20th level capstone you'll never reach, you still can't take them.
