| Static Hamster |
I believe that my DM would rule since the implication is that you become a full blooded Orc you would lose your Human racial traits.
The only other alternative really is:
Even though you mechanically count as Orc the spell just fizzles and doesn't do anything because you actually aren't an half-orc.
blackbloodtroll
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blackbloodtroll wrote:But you don't count as human unless you gain the benefit of the feat, which, lacking the prerequisites, you don't.Torbyne wrote:But you don't meet the preregs for the feat anymore...You do, by counting as Human.
Ah, but the feat says you count as Human.
Normally, you would need to count as Human first, and when you took it, you did. Now, you have the feat already, and the feat allows you to count as Human.
So, the feat, in this very particular case, creates the prerequisite needed.
blackbloodtroll
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I believe that my DM would rule since the implication is that you become a full blooded Orc you would lose your Human racial traits.
The only other alternative really is:
Even though you mechanically count as Orc the spell just fizzles and doesn't do anything because you actually aren't an half-orc.
That's a whole lot of houserule my friend.
| Eridan |
Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.
A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself.
Come on BBT.
You must meet the prerequisites of a feat before you can use it. The prerequisite is 'Human' and you are not a human. Secondly you are reading the feat wrong. With the feat you count as another race in addition to human. In this example you are an orc and you want to count as a human. That is not possible because you must be a human.Prerequisite: Human.
Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.
I know BBT has a different view on the rules and he will try to discuss until this thread reaches 2000 posts. Lets start ..
| Kazaan |
No bootstraping. The FAQ for UC sets the precedent that you can't use the benefit of a prestige class to fulfill the requirements for said prestige class so that can easily be extended to a feat. You need to meet the prereq for the feat without its benefit in order to continue qualifying for it; that's just basic common sense. Thus, this gets us into a Catch-22; The Human is a valid target for HBE because he counts as a half-orc, but when the spell takes effect, he no longer counts as a human as he doesn't have the Human subtype. So he may "flash" briefly with the visage of a full-blood Orc, but it will quickly revert as the spell effect paradoxes itself out of existence.