Monsters with DR bypassing DR

[TyrKnight]

In the old rules, you could overcome DR if you had DR as a monster. If you have DR 5/silver, you have silver attacks for purposes of overcome other monster's DR. Is that still true? Can you point me to that reference?

[Nefreet]

Universal Monster Rules wrote:

Some monsters are vulnerable to magic weapons. Any weapon with at least a +1 magical enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls overcomes the damage reduction of these monsters. Such creatures’ natural weapons (but not their attacks with weapons) are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons—that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures’ natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

It's just DR Magic and Epic.

Creatures with an Alignment subtype also count as that alignment for overcoming Damage Reduction.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

RAW, Nefreet is right; only alignment based DR, as well as DR/Epic and DR/Magic can be bypassed if you also have the respective DR.

RAI, I'm pretty certain it makes no sense for a creature of the same exact type (say, a Werewolf) to not affect its own DR.

But thems the breaks.

[TyrKnight]

Thank you! That's helpful.

[lemeres]

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

RAW, Nefreet is right; only alignment based DR, as well as DR/Epic and DR/Magic can be bypassed if you also have the respective DR.

RAI, I'm pretty certain it makes no sense for a creature of the same exact type (say, a Werewolf) to not affect its own DR.

But thems the breaks.

Well, it makes enough sense. I mean, it allows for 'a bit of rough housing', which, while appropriate for their more bestial attitudes, would likely straight up murder normal people. DR represents the fact that the flesh of these creatures is more durable than that of mortal man. Why shouldn't they enjoy that benefit when among their peers? Why must we only think of DR as something that needs an 'off switch'

Plus, they can not only pick up silver weapons just like the rest of us (doesn't the stat block for werewolves include a longsword?), but they can also take eldritch claws once they get to a high enough level, allowing them to get through silver anyway. And due to the slightly high level requirement for that, this ability allows an already fairly strong werewolf to dominate the pack since his 'rough housing' is lethal to them too. If a GM played that well, it would indicate a degree of power and violence and madness that separates him even from the society of his fellow beasts.

[Simon Legrande]

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

RAW, Nefreet is right; only alignment based DR, as well as DR/Epic and DR/Magic can be bypassed if you also have the respective DR.

RAI, I'm pretty certain it makes no sense for a creature of the same exact type (say, a Werewolf) to not affect its own DR.

But thems the breaks.

Our group just finished Broken Moon yesterday (Carrion Crown book 3).

Spoiler:

The werewolves in the Shudderwood all specifically were carrying silver arrows and silversheen so they would be able to hurt each other in their war. They wouldn't have needed this if they could just automatically overcome their own DR.

[TyrKnight]

This came up when our rogue, with a stoneskin spell, was engaging a golem with DR 10/Ad. We wondered if the stoneskin spell worked. It seems like it does by RAW. Thanks!