Casting a cure spell in advance


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I hadn't given it much thought in the past but it occured to me that cure spells (sans 'mass' versions) are touch spells. You should then be able to cast a cure spell and just hold on to it untill it is needed. so all your first curing of a party member requires is a standard action to touch them instead of casting a spell (and possibly taking an aoo). Is that corect?

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Correct. However, it carries risks of its own. Touch spells can discharge accidentally, so you might run into problems if something needs some physical interaction prior to someone needing healing. Similarly, casting any other spell will discharge the held spell, so if things change and what you need is to dispel the paralysis to prevent the CdG rather than cure some HP damage, you'll lose your cure. And then there's the matter of picking the right cure spell: you hold a CLW, then somebody takes a heavy hit and you really need more and need it NOW. Or you hold a CCW, then keep waiting for someone to get low enough to not waste it, then when they're close to that threshold they get critted and die.

All in all, I would typically advise against this tactic. Better to get good at tactical positioning (remember that enemies can't AoO across cover) and/or casting defensively.


You do not take an AoO from touching your party members, but yes you can cast the spell and hold it. However if you cast another spell the cure spell goes away, and if you are just stand around you are not really helping the party.

Sczarni

Yes, whether it's Shocking Grasp or Cure Light Wounds you can cast-hold-move-touch rather than move-cast-touch-provoke.


The first part of your post describes what the PRD has to say under Holding the Charge.

But remember that you can cast the spell (in a square where you do not provoke), hold the charge, move up to your speed to reach your party member and then touch her to release the charge/spell, healing her.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anything on whether you provoke when touching an ally. I don't consider it an attack as it says it automatically succeeds (no roll), but an attack always has a miss chance of at least 5% (on a natural 1).

Ruyan.

Sczarni

You don't provoke when you touch an enemy, so I fail to see why you'd provoke when touching an ally.


"You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action." Doesn't say, in the chart on the side, that the standard action provokes an attack of opportunity. "Use a touch spell on up to six friends" is listed in the chart as a full round action that provokes an attack of opportunity. So I think touch one person -- standard action -- no AOO; touch 2-6 friends -- full round action -- does provoke AOO.


TyrKnight wrote:
"You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action." Doesn't say, in the chart on the side, that the standard action provokes an attack of opportunity. "Use a touch spell on up to six friends" is listed in the chart as a full round action that provokes an attack of opportunity. So I think touch one person -- standard action -- no AOO; touch 2-6 friends -- full round action -- does provoke AOO.

Yes, all true. However...

If you touch your ally in the same round you cast it, it is a free action. It gets a special exception, all melee touch spells do I believe.


Do you threaten while holding a cure charge?


Kwauss wrote:
Do you threaten while holding a cure charge?

If the enemy has negative energy affinity (and is therefore harmed by a cure spell) yes. Otherwise, no.


How about the caster touching himself? If a cleric casts a cure spell and soon after walks into a battle and is injured, can he touch himself on his turn before taking other actions? I can't imagine that touching yourself would require a standard action; seems it should be a free action if there are no complications.


Kwauss wrote:
Do you threaten while holding a cure charge?

Sure, but you can only attack with the cure charge unless you threaten in some other way. Not much of a threat to non-undead, really.

Sczarni

Ambrus wrote:
How about the caster touching himself? If a cleric casts a cure spell and soon after walks into a battle and is injured, can he touch himself on his turn before taking other actions? I can't imagine that touching yourself would require a standard action; seems it should be a free action if there are no complications.

This is covered in the rules for touch spells.

You only get the free action touch during the round you cast the spell. If you wait a round it becomes a standard action to touch.

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