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I'd go with a Scout/Invulnerable Rager with the Maw or Claw [claw] Alt. Racial Trait and Fiend Totem as a natural attack build. 2 reasons:
1:Natural Attacks are pretty freaking good in PFS, where 3 attacks is the cap, since it is easy to get 3 attacks. All attacks at full BAB that all get Sneak Attack and the large damage bonus a barbarian has by [almost] by default.
2:Since you think you will be tapping into rage due to a demonic ancestor, and since Beast Totem isn't near as good in PFS as it is in a normal campaign[you wait too long to use it], and Fiend Totem is such a thematic extra attack source.
I'd probably go with a progression like
1:Rogue
2:Rogue
3:Barbarian
4:Barbarian
5:Rogue
6:Rogue
7-12:Barbarian
maybe throwing another rogue level in somewhere. An extra 2 or 3d6 damage across multiple attacks is great, but beyond about 4 or 5 levels in the class there isn't too much Rogue has to offer unless you commit to the whole 10 for advanced talents[and even then its not too great]. Starts as rogue for a couple of levels, gives you the thematic thief origins, then becomes more "barbaric" as it moves on. Talents you might want include Ninja Trick[Pressure Points] and Offensive Defense.
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I'd go with a Scout/Invulnerable Rager with the Maw or Claw [claw] Alt. Racial Trait and Fiend Totem as a natural attack build. 2 reasons:
1:Natural Attacks are pretty freaking good in PFS, where 3 attacks is the cap, since it is easy to get 3 attacks. All attacks at full BAB that all get Sneak Attack and the large damage bonus a barbarian has by [almost] by default.2:Since you think you will be tapping into rage due to a demonic ancestor, and since Beast Totem isn't near as good in PFS as it is in a normal campaign[you wait too long to use it], and Fiend Totem is such a thematic extra attack source.
I'd probably go with a progression like
1:Rogue
2:Rogue
3:Barbarian
4:Barbarian
5:Rogue
6:Rogue
7-12:Barbarianmaybe throwing another rogue level in somewhere. An extra 2 or 3d6 damage across multiple attacks is great, but beyond about 4 or 5 levels in the class there isn't too much Rogue has to offer unless you commit to the whole 10 for advanced talents[and even then its not too great]. Starts as rogue for a couple of levels, gives you the thematic thief origins, then becomes more "barbaric" as it moves on. Talents you might want include Ninja Trick[Pressure Points] and Offensive Defense.
I'm loving pretty much everything you just suggested. Thanks for the quick reply
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Because in my eyes stabbing people in the back with a rapier is cool, a view that overrides it's semi-uselessness in battle.Sneak attack is not very reliable.
What do you hope to get from Rogue, other than unreliable damage, and penalties to your BAB?
Actually, you can achieve that thematically, without any Rogue levels.
You simply say "I stab him in the back with my Rapier!" when you sneak up to someone and attack.
You don't need Rogue levels for it.
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Because in my eyes stabbing people in the back with a rapier is cool, a view that overrides it's semi-uselessness in battle.Sneak attack is not very reliable.
What do you hope to get from Rogue, other than unreliable damage, and penalties to your BAB?
Actually, you can achieve that thematically, without any Rogue levels.
You simply say "I stab him in the back with my Rapier!" when you sneak up to someone and attack.
You don't need Rogue levels for it.
I will not be swayed by your mystical powers of reasoning demon!
I suspect it is for some overly nostalgic association with "sneak attack" being how you "stab someone on the back". BBT is correct though. It is difficult and often not worth it to make reliable sneak attacks. Even then it is situational damage as opposed to static damage that will hurt anything.
EvilPaladin's advice isn't bad if you absolutely gotta have rogue. His build at least doesn't rely fully on situational damage, it has both. I would, however, consider what it is you actually want out of rogue.
Most things rogue better than rogue. Its a sorry situation, but it is true.
The OP has made it very clear that he wants to play a rogue, so drop it.
Ciaran: You are not the forum police. I can suggest what I like. I am being constructive. You are not. Drop it.
sentaiexpress: Personally, I like the builds that have less rogue and more martial. If you have to take rogue levels I would suggest taking 1, 2 or 3 levels. Those are the best cutoff points IMO.
If you go with Deadmanwalking's suggestion I would take Piranha Strike and Weapon Finesse. Also, Vivisectionist Alchemist would stack really well with that too and it keeps the rogue feel. Even just a couple of levels is great.
Ciaran: You are not the forum police. I can suggest what I like. I am being constructive. You are not. Drop it.
People already suggested other classses, the OP made it clear that he wants rogue and that he know all rogue problems but he do not care. Keeping suggesting other calsses is not being constructive.
Ah, didn't know that Vivisectionist wasn't PFS legal.
Alexandros Satorum: I respectfully disagree. Often times people come to these boards and say "I want to do X, Y and Z. How can B class accomplish this best." The answer is often that they can not accomplish X, Y and Z best but another class can. Often the OP walks way appreciative of another viewpoint they haven't considered because they weren't aware of how something worked.
And anyway, I didn't do that aside from the Vivisectionist suggestion that isn't PFS legal anyway. If you do not like Deadmanwalking's, or BBT's suggestions (Slayer/Barbarian or Wild Stalker/Trapper Ranger respectively) then please direct your complaints to them. They are the ones who made suggestions of other classes. Not me.
Ah, didn't know that Vivisectionist wasn't PFS legal.
Alexandros Satorum: I respectfully disagree. Often times people come to these boards and say "I want to do X, Y and Z. How can B class accomplish this best." The answer is often that they can not accomplish X, Y and Z best but another class can. Often the OP walks way appreciative of another viewpoint they haven't considered because they weren't aware of how something worked.
And anyway, I didn't do that aside from the Vivisectionist suggestion that isn't PFS legal anyway. If you do not like Deadmanwalking's, or BBT's suggestions (Slayer/Barbarian or Wild Stalker/Trapper Ranger respectively) then please direct your complaints to them. They are the ones who made suggestions of other classes. Not me.
Fair enough. Suggesting other classes is cool and all that, but when the OP still want a rogue despite everything then is time to start giving advices about rogues.
And I did. Twice. And if the OP posts again and tells us what he is looking for then I will continue to be as useful as possible.
Am I off the hook now, boss?
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Why not look at the slayer class mixed with the barbarian? Nets you the sneak attack and stuff without penalizing you on the BaB progression. It' is a rogue hybrid, though more styled after a killer than a thief. You can also take the ranger combat styles to take some of the natural weapon combat style feats. (Oh and I totally support the Abyssal Bloodrager instead of barbarian, but if you want to go full natural attacks build then fiend totem barbarian is superior)
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I'm loving pretty much everything you just suggested. Thanks for the quick replyI'd go with a Scout/Invulnerable Rager with the Maw or Claw [claw] Alt. Racial Trait and Fiend Totem as a natural attack build. 2 reasons:
1:Natural Attacks are pretty freaking good in PFS, where 3 attacks is the cap, since it is easy to get 3 attacks. All attacks at full BAB that all get Sneak Attack and the large damage bonus a barbarian has by [almost] by default.2:Since you think you will be tapping into rage due to a demonic ancestor, and since Beast Totem isn't near as good in PFS as it is in a normal campaign[you wait too long to use it], and Fiend Totem is such a thematic extra attack source.
I'd probably go with a progression like
1:Rogue
2:Rogue
3:Barbarian
4:Barbarian
5:Rogue
6:Rogue
7-12:Barbarianmaybe throwing another rogue level in somewhere. An extra 2 or 3d6 damage across multiple attacks is great, but beyond about 4 or 5 levels in the class there isn't too much Rogue has to offer unless you commit to the whole 10 for advanced talents[and even then its not too great]. Starts as rogue for a couple of levels, gives you the thematic thief origins, then becomes more "barbaric" as it moves on. Talents you might want include Ninja Trick[Pressure Points] and Offensive Defense.
Glad you liked. Also have a bit more:
Urban Barbarian archetype might be worth considering. In addition to being thematically appropriate, it lets your rage work as a Strength or Dexterity based character, lets you not need the temporary HP[which can be pretty unfortunate when you run out and fall unconscious] and you don't need the -2 AC penalty. Also the Urban Rage thing is a you may and not you must, and the free Dodge and Attack Roll bonuses never hurt.Some good traits included Armor Expert[combine with Mithral Breastplate to not need medium armor proficiency], Reactionary, and Clever Wordplay.
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I'm loving pretty much everything you just suggested. Thanks for the quick replyI'd go with a Scout/Invulnerable Rager with the Maw or Claw [claw] Alt. Racial Trait and Fiend Totem as a natural attack build. 2 reasons:
1:Natural Attacks are pretty freaking good in PFS, where 3 attacks is the cap, since it is easy to get 3 attacks. All attacks at full BAB that all get Sneak Attack and the large damage bonus a barbarian has by [almost] by default.2:Since you think you will be tapping into rage due to a demonic ancestor, and since Beast Totem isn't near as good in PFS as it is in a normal campaign[you wait too long to use it], and Fiend Totem is such a thematic extra attack source.
I'd probably go with a progression like
1:Rogue
2:Rogue
3:Barbarian
4:Barbarian
5:Rogue
6:Rogue
7-12:Barbarianmaybe throwing another rogue level in somewhere. An extra 2 or 3d6 damage across multiple attacks is great, but beyond about 4 or 5 levels in the class there isn't too much Rogue has to offer unless you commit to the whole 10 for advanced talents[and even then its not too great]. Starts as rogue for a couple of levels, gives you the thematic thief origins, then becomes more "barbaric" as it moves on. Talents you might want include Ninja Trick[Pressure Points] and Offensive Defense.
Glad you liked. Also have a bit more:
Urban Barbarian archetype might be worth considering. In addition to being thematically appropriate, it lets your rage work as a Strength or Dexterity based character, lets you not need the temporary HP[which can be pretty unfortunate when you run out and fall unconscious] and you don't need the -2 AC penalty. Also the Urban Rage thing is a you may and not you must, and the free Dodge and Attack Roll bonuses never hurt.Some good traits included Armor Expert[combine with Mithral Breastplate to not need medium armor proficiency], Reactionary, and Clever Wordplay.
might consider it. Also to everyone who has posted on here, I appreciate your opinions and constructive criticism, but for this character it's less about making an extremely combat savvy juggernaut and more about being a rogue who can conveniently rage as a last resort. Is it the best idea for a society character? No, but then again I've always been more interested in role-playing than wrecking house, sort of like my kitsune rogue who has a glass jaw with only 8 hp but has skills up the wazoo.
Once again I'd like to thank everyone for their opinions, they've been a lot of help in building my character.