Scroll purchasing confusion in PFS--- Resolved

[Silhren Rilbahn]

So, rules in PFS currently state that any scrolls purchased are made by clerics, druids, and wizards/sorcerers.

I recently broke a rule (unknowingly) I had misunderstood from someone else. I purchased a scroll of Angelic Aspect, Greater for 1,000 gp. It was used, but honestly didn't change anything during combat.

My question is this: Why can my character (who is a paladin) not purchase this from another paladin? Why does it have to be from a cleric, sorcerer, or wizard? I'm not going to deliberately break rules, but it seems to be a huge slap in the face to other classes. Not only can this not be purchased until 12th level, but if you are creating a scroll of this particular spell you have to be 15th level versus 13th (if you are a paladin).

I guess I don't like the idea that paladins apparently can't put their magic into a scroll but a cleric of a higher level can?

And then you don't pay the cost of an 8th level scroll because it is also a 4th level paladin spell. You would pay a lower price for it anyways?

[BigNorseWolf]

The PFS folks don't want to have to review every spell every time another class gets it at a lower level and pushes it into potion range, for example stoneskin as a potion just because summoners can cast it as a third level spell.

[Silhren Rilbahn]

That makes sense Wolf, I'm just a little baffled a paladin has to go to a cleric for a spell when they have the ability to cast said spell.. and at a lower level. So this and other spells are legal for play, but not really.

[Silhren Rilbahn]

I guess if nothing else, I get to refund gold in a situation like this and call this an accident.

[Pirate Rob]

It's mostly to help standardize costs. A scroll of lesser restoration always costs 150gp, instead of some people paying 150gp and others paying 50gp etc.

[Nefreet]

I didn't think 8th level scrolls were legal unless found on a Chronicle sheet.

[Pirate Rob]

Or if you're 15th level.

[Nefreet]

Ah. Was unaware of that stipulation.

[Nebten]

I wouldn't say you get a refund of your gold since you already used it.

[humor]

I would be even more baffled to find a paladin with the Scribe Scroll feat. Honestly, has anybody made a paladin with Scribe Scroll/Brew Potion. Anybody?!? They are feat starved enough as is!

[/humor]

[Silh]

Nebten wrote:

I wouldn't say you get a refund of your gold since you already used it.

[humor]

I would be even more baffled to find a paladin with the Scribe Scroll feat. Honestly, has anybody made a paladin with Scribe Scroll/Brew Potion. Anybody?!? They are feat starved enough as is!

[/humor]

:P

I suspect there are some, but probably not that many.

[BigNorseWolf]

I didn't know paladins could READ...

[Silhren Rilbahn]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I didn't know paladins could READ...

Hey now.. mine can! He may only have an INT of 10, but he can still do it.

[Broken Prince]

It really does seem disingenuous to give yourself the money back for an item you have used,which appears to be what has happened. I would say you are still out the gp, the fact that it had little effect is irrelevant.

[Paz]

Broken Prince wrote:

It really does seem disingenuous to give yourself the money back for an item you have used,which appears to be what has happened. I would say you are still out the gp, the fact that it had little effect is irrelevant.

Absolutely. A strict GM would say that you should pay another 2000gp so that you paid the right price for the scroll...

But probably best to just leave things as they stand.

[Silhren Rilbahn]

It was a mistake first and foremost, and as rules are written, it should have never happened in the first place. Suspend disbelief a little to change this. I have already talked with my GM about it and the issue has been resolved.

Would it also be disingenuous for a player to remember some extra damage that should be applied to an enemy that also kills it before said enemy kills a PC? Does the GM add the damage or not because the players turn is over?

I appreciate the feedback though, and I won't repeat this mistake again.
(This post can be moved/removed now just in case anyone with that ability sees it)

[Nefreet]

Some GMs go back, some don't.

Just because you remember two turns later that you forgot to apply your Rage bonus to damage doesn't mean the now fleeing enemy falls dead in their tracks.

If you forgot, your character forgot. Perhaps he just didn't swing with his full potential.

[Nefreet]

Silhren Rilbahn wrote:

(This post can be moved/removed now just in case anyone with that ability sees it)

Posts are rarely removed unless they're offensive or in the wrong forum.

Best to leave it the way it is so others can read it.

[Robert A Matthews]

Nebten wrote:

I wouldn't say you get a refund of your gold since you already used it.

[humor]

I would be even more baffled to find a paladin with the Scribe Scroll feat. Honestly, has anybody made a paladin with Scribe Scroll/Brew Potion. Anybody?!? They are feat starved enough as is!

[/humor]

Or a wizard with scribe scroll has the paladin provide the spell for him when he scribes it.

[Don Walker]

I'm one of the GMs who won't "turn back the clock", "correct the oversight", etc. Once a player has finished their turn and I've called the next participant, that's it.

The only exception I'll make is if the correction clearly would have saved a PC from death.

Trying to go back and fix things really interrupts the flow of combat.

It works both ways. I'll often realize I forgot to use a feature like Power Attack, just after the bad guys turn.

This also applies if we discover we've been using a rule wrong. I think it works a certain way, or a player does and I don't catch it. Then someone actually looks it up after a few turns have gone by. Going forward, we use the proper rule, but I don't go back and try to change what's already occurred.

[Derwalt]

I'm with Don!

[Jayson MF Kip]

Does this mean that you cannot get, say, a scroll of Bless Weapon or Instant Enemy or Allegro (or any 1-class-only spell that isn't Cleric/Druid/Wizard)?

[Paz]

Jayson MF Kip wrote:

Does this mean that you cannot get, say, a scroll of Bless Weapon or Instant Enemy or Allegro (or any 1-class-only spell that isn't Cleric/Druid/Wizard)?

No, it doesn't mean that - see p23 of the Guide.