So last night my PC's visited the local whorehouse/thieves guild/fight club. The owner of it had actually got the deed to the place by killing the previous owner. One of my PC's had a daughter that worked there so he went all gung-ho and tried to kill the owner. Party backed him up and they managed to kill the owner and find the deed. So they asked if it was possible to have a weekly income from the place and also upgrade it like a business in other RPG's. Anybody have some suggestions on how to make some rules for this or something? Thanks in advance.
yeah, seriously. They are all up and arms because a daughter worked at a whorehouse so they murdered the owner and then... they want to run their own whorehouse? Seems like a huge disconnect.
Beyond that I am pretty sure that "I killed the last guy" does not make you the legal owner of the place. Just because they found the deed does not mean they are the owners.
yeah, seriously. They are all up and arms because a daughter worked at a whorehouse so they murdered the owner and then... they want to run their own whorehouse? Seems like a huge disconnect.
Beyond that I am pretty sure that "I killed the last guy" does not make you the legal owner of the place. Just because they found the deed does not mean they are the owners.
It could in some weird evil society. But generally speaking...yes. And maybe they want to make it into not-a-whorehouse, but just a bar. Or something.
But you are right that it does seem odd as written.
yeah, seriously. They are all up and arms because a daughter worked at a whorehouse so they murdered the owner and then... they want to run their own whorehouse? Seems like a huge disconnect.
Beyond that I am pretty sure that "I killed the last guy" does not make you the legal owner of the place. Just because they found the deed does not mean they are the owners.
It could in some weird evil society. But generally speaking...yes. And maybe they want to make it into not-a-whorehouse, but just a bar. Or something.
But you are right that it does seem odd as written.
I dunno.... If the party kills some bad guy and the fight takes his sword I don't think anyone will question the fighter's ownership of the sword. Is this really different?
Depends on the society really.
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yeah, seriously. They are all up and arms because a daughter worked at a whorehouse so they murdered the owner and then... they want to run their own whorehouse? Seems like a huge disconnect.
Beyond that I am pretty sure that "I killed the last guy" does not make you the legal owner of the place. Just because they found the deed does not mean they are the owners.
It could in some weird evil society. But generally speaking...yes. And maybe they want to make it into not-a-whorehouse, but just a bar. Or something.
But you are right that it does seem odd as written.
I dunno.... If the party kills some bad guy and the fight takes his sword I don't think anyone will question the fighter's ownership of the sword. Is this really different?
Depends on the society really.
Well, possession is 9/10ths of the law. Since you can pick up a corpse's former possession and no one is alive to argue otherwise someone would have to create some proof that those items don't belong to you. Alternatively, a building which you cannot just pickup and walk away with and will have been clearly owned by someone whom people will have known will find it odd when the old proprietor is dead and there is new management. To boot, having a "deed" doesn't automatically confer ownership. A deed is proof of ownership. Usually written such to indicate whom the rightful owner of the establishment is, that is to say it should have the dead man's name and signature upon it along with the previous owner and any necessary administrative signatures and documentation.
Even chaotic society's that have large cities would have such documentation to prove rightful ownership since it could otherwise cause many disputes.
Also, being evil doesn't mean you can't own things in a good city. So being evil isn't actually sufficient under most laws to have killed the proprietor and then take over his establishment. I believe in most cities this would actually make you a criminal and you would quickly find yourself hanging from the gallows.
Strictly out of curiosity - I'm assuming that the PCs at least remembered to fire the daughter, right?
Haven't done so yet since I had ended the session there. We'll see what happens.
yeah, seriously. They are all up and arms because a daughter worked at a whorehouse so they murdered the owner and then... they want to run their own whorehouse? Seems like a huge disconnect.
Beyond that I am pretty sure that "I killed the last guy" does not make you the legal owner of the place. Just because they found the deed does not mean they are the owners.
It could in some weird evil society. But generally speaking...yes. And maybe they want to make it into not-a-whorehouse, but just a bar. Or something.
But you are right that it does seem odd as written.
It's a manor located in the worst part of town that is mostly populated by CN's, LE's, and NE's. The better parts of town are more LG and such and they don't bother with the riff raff in the slums. The deed was as pennywit pointed out being a bearer paper which is how the now dead owner had gained it in the first place. They have yet to decide what they want to do with the place though.
Well, they shouldn't get income without going through the proper steps. At the very least, it means they need to pay for staff, repairs, supplies, taxes, marketing, and whatnot in order to start trying to draw an income. This is without even trying to make the business legal - actually owning all the right permits and such. The downtime rules linked above will hopefully cover how to generalize everything, unless you really want to go into minutia. (I doubt that.)
If you guys are really interested, then you can give them plot hooks based on their property "ownership".
1. The deed they found was forged! The actual owner is still living and wants his property back. (Legal battles ensue! Court drama!)
2. The dead guy owes a nasty thug some money! Since the PCs presumably took all of the dead guys stuff, the thug decides his debt falls to them.
3. The place in haunted by the spirit of a murdered girl who "worked" at the establishment.
4. Disease outbreak amongst your "clientele" and you have to clear your business's name by finding out what caused the disease and curing it.
5. Father of another daughter who "works" at your establishment comes to kill the owner in the same manner in which you killed the previous owner.
6. Public official demands a bribe...
7....Limited only by your imagination :)
(Legal battles ensue! Court drama!)
(Legal battles ensue! Court drama!)Objection !
Overrulled. Would you like to make a Profer for the record?
Ultimate Campaign has rules for owning buildings and businesses. It has its flaws, but it's a starting point.