Gunslinger Society Play Questions

[RWCII]

Ok... Here they are.

1)Starting weapon... does Musket mean I can choose a double-barreled musket?

2)Level 3 Fast Musket says I can reload a 2 hand firearm as a 1 hand firearm... fine, that means I can reload a double-barreled musket as a 1 hand firearm, yes? That's both barrels with one move action according to the strict interpretation.

3)In my normal weekly group, we disagree and apply everthing to 1 barrel. If it's all poor editing and we need an official paizo rule, that'd be appreciated.

4)Basically, we're looking for a ruling based upon the various descriptions using the word muskets as opposed to single-barreled vs. double-barreled muskets.

If one assumes that muskets(plural) applies to all muskets, including double-barreled muskets, it makes double-barreled muskets over-powering(despite the gold piece cost).

My suggestion is to apply all the rules as is, but make it per barrel. So that would affect double-barreled pistols as well as muskets.

Suggestions? Comments? Anyone official willing to weigh in?

I'd appreciate a Pathfinder Society official ruling regarding double muskets... I'm either blind, or it's not been made yet.

[Maezer]

1. No, its a musket with the battered quality. All the archetype does is eliminate your option to select a pistol or blunderbuss.

2. No. Early firearms explicitly state that you must reload each barrel individually. This remains true whether its a one handed firearm or two.

3. I don't see a question here.

4. In general if it says muskets it means musket in the same way longswords refers to a longsword. ie rapid reload (muskets) is different and non-inclusive of rapid reload (double-barrel muskets). If they want to be inclusive of all types of two-weapon firearms they will state such. Or if a particular weapon should benefit from abilities of a similar weapon (like longbows and composite longbows) it would state such in the weapon description.

I doubt you see a PFS specific ruling as this doesn't appear to a be a society specific question rather they appear to be general questions about game rules.

[Pupsocket]

3: You already have rules for that.

Quote:

Early Firearms: Early firearms are muzzle-loaded, requiring bullets or pellets and black powder to be rammed down the muzzle. If an early firearm has multiple barrels, each barrel must be loaded separately. It is a standard action to load each barrel of a one-handed early firearm and a full-round action to load each barrel of a two-handed early firearm.

Are you unclear on what that means?

[Nefreet]

RWCII wrote:

1) Starting weapon... does Musket mean I can choose a double-barreled musket?

No. And in Pathfinder Society this is even specified. You either start with a battered pistol, a battered musket, or a battered blunderbuss.

RWCII wrote:

2) Level 3 Fast Musket says I can reload a 2 hand firearm as a 1 hand firearm... fine, that means I can reload a double-barreled musket as a 1 hand firearm, yes? That's both barrels with one move action according to the strict interpretation.

That's both barrels with two standard actions, according to the actual rules written. Rapid Reload (double barrel musket) would further reduce the loading time to two move actions, and paper cartridges would further reduce the loading time to two free actions.

RWCII wrote:

3) In my normal weekly group, we disagree and apply everthing to 1 barrel. If it's all poor editing and we need an official paizo rule, that'd be appreciated.

It's one weapon, not two muskets duck-taped together. The burden of proof is on them.

RWCII wrote:

4) Basically, we're looking for a ruling based upon the various descriptions using the word muskets as opposed to single-barreled vs. double-barreled muskets.

If one assumes that muskets(plural) applies to all muskets, including double-barreled muskets, it makes double-barreled muskets over-powering(despite the gold piece cost).

My suggestion is to apply all the rules as is, but make it per barrel. So that would affect double-barreled pistols as well as muskets.

There is an FAQ I started a while back that asked this very question, but the consensus is that Rapid Reload only applies to one type of weapon, and in the case of the Musket Master's Fast Musket ability, that would mean the base musket.

RWCII wrote:

I'd appreciate a Pathfinder Society official ruling regarding double muskets... I'm either blind, or it's not been made yet.

Everyone wants an "official ruling". You're most likely not going to get one here (though feel free to click on the FAQ request I linked!).

If you scour the forums you'll see that these questions have all come up before. Read the arguments that others have come up with before and rule using that logic.

EDIT: edited to incorporate Pupsocket's language.

[RWCII]

Thank you all for your responses. This helps quite a bit.