Basically, I've got this 11th level druid. I have a Stegosaurus animal companion, mainly for the Trip special attack it gets.
"A creature with the trip special attack can attempt to trip its opponent as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity if it hits with the specified attack. If the attempt fails, the creature is not tripped in return."
Snagged power attack for him early, put a point into int at 4th level, got cleave, improved natural attack, and great cleave.
My Stego, being the badass that he is, deals 2D8 base damage, 3D8 with INA, and 6D8 with Strong Jaw. 8D8 if i want to go so far as to Animal Growth him.
So now we put it all together into a Great cleaving 8D8 damage dealing free action tripping beastmode Stego (with 10-15 feet of reach!)
Am i correct in assuming this all goes together as I have stated? Or is the 'specified attack' it says in the trip description a special kind of attack action? My interpretation is the specified attack is his tail attack which is what he is great cleaving with.
Thanks for reading :)
The wording for INA and Strong Jaw both work off the original size of the creature, so they don't stack.
But 6d8 isn't bad.
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The wording for INA and Strong Jaw both work off the original size of the creature, so they don't stack.
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Somehow I knew the first reply was going to be about them stacking :)
After reading multiple threads with arguments both ways and never finding an actual developers ruling on it, I just asked my GM if he thinks they stack. He believes a lot in Herolab which i guess has them stacking so he is allowing it (sucks for him).
I am still curious though, and would like to know if it has been ruled and I just couldn't find it.
I think a lot of people overlook the INA description before the size comment though.
Benefit: Choose one of the creature's natural attack forms (not an unarmed strike). The damage for this natural attack increases by one step on the following list, as if the creature's size had increased by one category. Damage dice increase as follows: 1d2, 1d3, 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 2d6, 3d6, 4d6, 6d6, 8d6, 12d6.
A weapon or attack that deals 1d10 points of damage increases as follows: 1d10, 2d8, 3d8, 4d8, 6d8, 8d8, 12d8.
If you omit the whole half sentance talking about the size category I think A LOT more people would think it stacked. I'm partial to either, I wouldn't whine if my GM said they don't stack, but if I was the GM, I would allow them to stack.
If it increases by one step on the following list, then that damage would be the damage you increase by strong jaw, no? Just my opinion on the matter.
All that aside I as hoping the whole free trip attacks while great cleaving would be verified. If I hit with great cleave, I get that free trip attack, and then move on to great cleave the next guy and possibly trip all as the one standard action great cleave.
Actually it has been specifically stated by the devs that lead blades and Impact don't stack:
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gg#v5748eaic9qx4
Though if your GM was all right with it, more power to you. (Herolabs is a bit of a dim program, it assumes you know what you're doing)
As to the trip, you get that whenever you hit with the tail, cleave attack or no. You could whirlwind with it, and it would trip everyone you hit with it.
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