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I'm currently crafting my secondary character for a home game should my Barbarian Titan Mauler meet his final fate. I want to go in the opposite direction of huge, dim bruiser with an ultra-caster, eldritch energy wielder. Here's my current thoughts, open to mutation and suggestion.
edit - Core plus GM approval (GM hates Assimars)
20 point build Human Cleric of Nethys
Str 10
Con 13
Dex 10
Int 12
Wis 16
Cha 16
(I'm not one for dumping, usually. Open to it, but not my first inclination, for sure.)
Current vision is channel-heavy supporter behind a shield.
Levels & Feats
Cleric 1 - Selective Channel; Extra Channel
Domains - Magic, Runes
Cleric 2
Sorceror 1 - Magical Aptitude
Bloodline - Arcane
Sorceror 2 +1 Cha or Wis?
Cleric 3 - Versatile Channel
Sorceror 3
Cleric 4 - ???
Sorceror 4 +1 Cha or Wis?
Cleric 5 - ???
Mystic Theurge 1+ (I understand there's no optimizing this prestige class, but oh well, progression in each spell list is still tasty.)
For context, the current group dynamic (w/o my Titan Mauler) is:
Storm Druid
Ranger Archer
Wizard Universalist
Paladin
A storytelling roleplayer at my core, I have taken to optimizing as a way to keep characters alive, not as a way to 'break' anything. I am open to concepts beyond my channel-focused one. I'm not even married to Sorceror if Wizard makes more sense to a particular build. The only important thing is magic-using devotee of Nethys, god of all magics.
Any thoughts are welcome, thanks.
| andreww |
If you are determined to go down the mystic theurge route then I would strongly consider making the sorcerer side Empyreal. That way to use the same casting stat for both sets of spells.
You might want to look at early access by being an Aasimar and qualifying with SLA's. The various alternate bloodlines give level 2 SLA's which are mostly arcane and various Domains will give divine versions (Fate Inquisition, Trickery). That allows Cleric 2/Sorcerer 1 as your entry point.
I would also really suggest that you do not focus on Channel. It's a weak ability as it is, doesnt scale well and Mystuic Thuerge levels will not stack with your Cleric levels for Channel.
| XMorsX |
How can you focus on channeling when you gimp your progression by skipping cleric lvls?
I suggest on of the options below, for mixing arcane with divine magic:
- Early entty to the mystic theurge with a racial spell-like ruling. An Aasimar Garuda Blooded with the Incorruptible alt.racial trait can enter Mystic Theurge at lvl 3 with Cleric 2 / Empyreal Sorcerer 1 for Wis as the only casting stat.
- An Ancient Lorekeeper Oracle will let you add arcane spells to your spell list. With the Eldrich Heritage (arcane) you can add even more spells.
- A Razmiran Priest Sorcerer can spontaneously cast divine spells from his spell-slots as long as he has a wand with at keast one charge of the said spell. The 2nd best option.
- An Elf (or half elf, or human or aasimar with racial heritage) Oracle has access to the spell Paragorn Surge, which coupled with the Eldrich Heritage (Arcane) feat, can let you have access to the Imrpoved Eldrich heritage (arcane) and essentially an arcane spell you can cast (meaning no higher lvl than your highest lvl spell). The best option.
EDIT: The fact that aasimars are banned should not discourage you. Th etrickery domain will take care of the divine SLA, and the races below have access to 2nd lvl arcane SLA:
Half-Elf
Drow
Tiefling
Duergar
Svirfneblin
| Gregory Connolly |
Cleric 3/Diviner(scryer) 1/Mystic Theurge 10 is very strong for someone who wants to focus on spellcasting instead of channeling. The only thing non-core is using a subschool from the APG, but if they deny that you might as well play straight Cleric because nothing that makes you more powerful is gonna fly. The best part is that this doesn't restrict you to a specific race, rely on traits, rely on domains or rely on feats. You can build your cleric however you want and you end up with level 9 divine spells at level 18 like an oracle. You give up good channeling for level 6 wizard spells and spell synthesis. There is going to be an issue of wanting both armor and wizard spells in combat, but the armor will eventually be replaced by wizard spells so this issue is only really there at mid level.
| Gregory Connolly |
The SLA that replaces your first level school power mimics Clairaudience/Clairvoyance and counts as being able to cast 3rd level arcane spells. There is a whole guide for early entry into prestige classes using SLA's.
EDIT: Actually it might fall to an odd technicality where you can cast 1st and 3rd level spells but not 2nd, ask in a rules thread or talk to your DM.
| Quandary |
Yeah, to fulfill 2nd level spell requirements, you actually need a 2nd level spell/SLA.
That is consistently mentioned whenever the subject is brought up, including by Paizo themself.
As mentioned, you can get the divine side by domain, and possibly a few racial SLAs (and/or Feats expanding racial SLAs), and there are more options than just Aasimar, I think there may even be a few more beyond what was mentioned. That list seems mostly to be races that would also be banned in a game where Aasimar are banned, but Half-Elves are a pretty standard thing. (I believe it requires an Alt-Racial trait, but probably more likely to be allowed)
Focusing on Channel to that extent from Level 1, when Mystic Theurge will never advance it, is just absurd.
Selective Channel is silly enough as-is, Channel isn't the hottest in-combat action you can do to begin with, and since Channel (like Casting) doesn't depend on Full-Round Actions, you can just spend your Move Action to include/remove targets you want/don't want from the AoE.
Regardless, you will be better off NOT focusing on Channel like that,
but taking the Human Alt-Racial (replacing Human Bonus Feat) that gives two +2s to different stats.
That allows you to split stats easier, making it so other options besides Empyreal Sorceror are good options.
Although honestly you don't really NEED both arcane and divine sides to have awesome DCs,
just choose one for that, and one that will be used for DC-less/buffing/utility spells.
You are probably better off going with Cleric+Wizard instead of using Sorceror, CHA synergy between Sorc and Channel just will not matter in the long run because Channel won't be advancing in Mystic Theurge, and having both arcane/divine be 1/2 a spell level ahead (from being prepared casters) is a further advantage: that's giving you a further +1/2 DC advantage to go with the more powerful spells.