Rogue Talents "Weapon Training" and "Combat Trick" are redundant, why?!

[Morbius X]

So Weapon Training gives you Weapon Focus for a chosen weapon.

Combat Trick gives you a bonus Combat Feat. Weapon Focus is a Combat Feat.

So exactly why are they both there? It makes no sense.

Can the designers errata Weapon Training to make it more useful to take? Such as Weapon Training "grants proficiency and Weapon Focus with a chosen weapon"?

Anyone else house rule it this way to make Weapon Training an actual talent worth taking?

[Deadmanwalking]

You can only take Combat Trick once. Thus, Weapon Training effectively allows you to take it again...but only for Weapon Focus. Ditto for Finesse Rogue, only with Weapon Finesse.

[Colfenor]

You can't get these talents more than once, so maybe you would like to save Combat Trick for a different feat. That's a possible answer I think.

[Kazaan]

What if I told you...
Weapon Focus isn't the only Combat Feat?

[Elbedor]

Makes sense. Why take Combat Trick for Weapon Focus? As you can only take each Talent once, you would use Weapon Training to capture Weapon Focus, Finesse Rogue to capture Weapon Finesse, and leave Combat Trick for any other single Combat Feat that you desire. :)

[Barachiel Shina]

I myself had no idea Combat Trick can only be taken once. Odd.

[Xaratherus]

Kazaan wrote:

What if I told you...

Weapon Focus isn't the only Combat Feat?

Morpheus, is that you?

[Sub_Zero]

Kazaan wrote:

What if I told you...

Weapon Focus isn't the only Combat Feat?

Well hello Morpheus

edit: Dang ninja's :D

[LazarX]

Barachiel Shina wrote:

I myself had no idea Combat Trick can only be taken once. Odd.

All tricks, feats, traits, etc... any quality can only be taken once unless specifically exempted from that general restriction.

[Lamontius]

oh jeeze is it spring break time again

[Krodjin]

Kazaan wrote:

What if I told you...

Weapon Focus isn't the only Combat Feat?

This. You should be using Combat Trick for something else, unless your build requires Weapon Focus in two different weapons. In which case you could spend two talents to save two feats...

Also, having options isn't something people usually complain about.

[Nefreet]

The OP must think that you can take the same Talent more than once.

[fretgod99]

Krodjin wrote:

Kazaan wrote:

What if I told you...

Weapon Focus isn't the only Combat Feat?

This. You should be using Combat Trick for something else, unless your build requires Weapon Focus in two different weapons. In which case you could spend two talents to save two feats...

Also, having options isn't something people usually complain about.

Yup. Save (usually) Combat Trick for 8th level when your BAB hits +6.