Can you use a Lead Blades Wand on another person?


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The spell is Personal/Touch but if it's in a wand... it says to point and use...then you can designate another objective?
Mage armor or similar spells, same case, same doubt.
It's PFS related for helping the party, a simple wand can improve the overall fighting capabilities of everyone.

Another question related:
If you have the spell in your class but you aren't high enough to cast it, can you activate the wand?
Ex: Mage lvl 1 using a wand of Bull's Strength


A Personal spell from a wand is still personal. Pointing the wand would not change its target.

You can use the wand, without needing UMD, as long as your class can cast the spell. This is true even if you are too low a level to cast any spells -- such as a Level-1 Ranger or Paladin.

Grand Lodge

Wands do not change the casting mechanics of the spell.

A lead blades wand can only buff the wand wielder.

Mage Armor however is a "creature touched" spell, not personal only, so it's not a valid example.

Question 2... yes.


No, personal range wands can only be used on yourelf. So a wand of shield would only work on you.
This however is a magic item that would allow you to baton pass personal range spells, admittedly with a much lower CL (rings of spell storing use the minimum caster level to cast the stored spell.) The one you want to look at is the Cracked variant that costs 2000gp and stores 1 spell level enough for stuff like lead blades, gravity bow, shield and true strike.

A wand of mage armor would work exactly the same as if you cast it excepting that the CL of the wand is used.

magic items (search Spell trigger to find it)
Spell Trigger: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it's even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can't actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin. The user must still determine what spell is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a spell trigger item is a standard action and does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Far as I see it nothing prevents you from using a wand of a spell that is higher level than you as a caster can cast. You are setting money on fire each time you use it, that is considered punishment enough.


Ok, time to dip in 2 levels in ranger then xD
Thanks for answering.
This character is going to become something truly bizarre...
Barb/alch/ranger.....multiclass!!!!!


Pish. Only three classes? My first PC had five. And I know a guy who built a level 20 PC with 20 different base classes (no prestige classes).

That was back in the 3.5 era, though, when multi-classing was pretty much the order of the day. I'm not sure there are enough distinct base classes to do that in PF, at least not without adding 3rd party books.


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Tinalles wrote:

Pish. Only three classes? My first PC had five. And I know a guy who built a level 20 PC with 20 different base classes (no prestige classes).

That was back in the 3.5 era, though, when multi-classing was pretty much the order of the day. I'm not sure there are enough distinct base classes to do that in PF, at least not without adding 3rd party books.

There's a total of 11 core classes and 8 base classes, so you'd fall 1 shy of 20th*. There are the 3 alternate classes but you can't combine those with their base class counterparts, and there are 10 advanced classes (and again you can't combine them with their base counterparts). You'd need to pick up a level in at least 1 PrC to round yourself out.

(This is assuming you could figure out how to work around all the alignment restrictions. Monk can get away from their Lawful restriction with the right race, but Paladins are stuck with Lawful Good and Barbarians can't be Lawful. So at some point you'd wind up either being an ex-Barbarian or an ex-Paladin. Or you could ignore Paladin and go Antipaladin, if evil alignments are allowed)

Grand Lodge

Tinalles wrote:

Pish. Only three classes? My first PC had five. And I know a guy who built a level 20 PC with 20 different base classes (no prestige classes).

I can top that. Jason Wu once had a 7th level character who he deliberately made to never exceed a Zero BAB. He had seven classes ending with Jedi Counselor.


Xaratherus wrote:
...This is assuming you could figure out how to work around all the alignment restrictions. Monk can get away from their Lawful restriction with the right race...

Or with the Martial Artist archetype.

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