I have been trying to figure out the most fastest and smartest way to getting Dimensional Dervish. I still would like to be a Monk if I can to deal that extra damage, though I'd also like to see stronger opinions if you have them? :)
The earliest possible way to take the feats is with a fetchling and there debate on weather its even legal that way. Other than that a monk is your best bet. Casters can get DD faster but its useless because they can't hit for crap if they focus on it. Magus is the only exception, but he ends up just as well off as the monk.
Fiendish (wild shaped) Wolf Shaman Druid - gets travel domain.
Heighten + Preferred Spell means dimension door in any relevant spell slot.
Fetchling can start by level 3 with the right feats, but it is probably better to go Magus or Eldritch Knight so you have spellcasting to assist as well as the spell. Monk works too, but overall, the entire feat chain is intended to be a late-game option.
Magus can skip the need for it entirely (Dimension Door stops you from taking further actions, not ongoing ones). It's not even abusive or anything, it's using a 4th level spell to do what a 3rd level spell (force hook charge) and a 2nd level spell (bladed dash) do but better in some ways (and inferior in others, it doesn't get you an extra attack like they do), a perfectly normal thing for a higher level spell to do.
Synthersist Summoner can qualify early.
ArmouredMonk13 wrote: Fetchling can start by level 3 with the right feats, but it is probably better to go Magus or Eldritch Knight so you have spellcasting to assist as well as the spell. Monk works too, but overall, the entire feat chain is intended to be a late-game option. How do you pull that I cannot figure it?
The fetchling can't start until level 9 that I can see. That's an improvement on bard or magus, but later than an EK can start.
Note that if you have access to Ultimate Campaign's retraining rules you can retrain earlier feats into new feats you did not meet the prerequisites for when you got them originally. A bard or magus with enough free cash can use retraining to get the whole chain at level 10.
3 levels of horizon walker with astral terrain dominance can get you dimension door at level 6monk/level 3 horizon walker, if you are looking for a way to get dimensional dervish as a monk.
Aside from the fetchling which I don't think is legal, the fastest way to start the path to dimensional dervish is a samsaran witch (possibly also wizard but consult GM) with a Mystic Past Life as a summoner who can get dimension door at level 5 as a level 3 spell from the summoner spell list. The problem is you have to switch to a full BAB class after level 6 to have the +6 BAB for dimensional dervish by level 9 and that doesn't give you many uses of dimension door (2 + INT bonus, minimum INT of 13).
A synthesist summoner can get dimension door (maker's jump) at level 6 and can use eidolon's BAB to qualify for dimensional dervish, so with feat retraining (from UCamp) can have dimensional dervish at level 7 when the eidolon's BAB hits +6.
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Wise Old Man wrote: I have been trying to figure out the most fastest and smartest way to getting Dimensional Dervish. I still would like to be a Monk if I can to deal that extra damage, though I'd also like to see stronger opinions if you have them? :) A dip of 3 levels in the Horizon Walker PrC lets you cast Dim. Door as a SLA by lv.9. So you can get Dim. Dervish at lv.13, or before with the retraining rules.
It works for any martial class, with any race.
EDIT : ninja
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7th level fetchling oracle using the favored class bonus could get the Shadow Walk ability at 7th level. However, they wouldn't have the +6 BAB needed for Dimensional Dervish until level 8.
Shimesen wrote: Magus is the only exception, but he ends up just as well off as the monk. There are clerics and summoners who are laughing at this right now.
Without bothering to feat retrain.
A vanilla summoner can have D. Dervish by level 11.
Synthesist by level 9.
Travel clerics (either theologians or preferred spell clerics) can get it by 11th as well.
The above options can hit more reliably and potentially harder than a monk. The vanilla option for summoners makes a good "unexpected" idea since most gm's think that the eidolon is the only one wiht the balls big enough to get into melee.
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There are clerics and summoners who are laughing at this right now.
Without bothering to feat retrain.
Synthesist by level 9.
Alas a synthesist summoner level 9 cannot have dimensional dervish without feat retraining because they have to wait to level 7 to get a feat to pick up dimensional agility, level 9 for a feat to get dimensional assault and (like any other summoner) level 11 for the free feat to get dimensional dervish. And the dimensional assault line are not combat feats so a fighter dip doesn't help, nor are they ranger combat style feats so a ranger dip doesn't help either, nor are they on a monk bonus feat list and even a wizard cannot use bonus feats for the dimensional assault feats. Without feat retraining, to get dimensional dervish at level 9 a character has to have dimension door by level 5 and a +6 BAB at level 9.
cnetarian wrote: TarkXT wrote: [
There are clerics and summoners who are laughing at this right now.
Without bothering to feat retrain.
Synthesist by level 9.
Alas a synthesist summoner level 9 cannot have dimensional dervish without feat retraining because they have to wait to level 7 to get a feat to pick up dimensional agility, level 9 for a feat to get dimensional assault and (like any other summoner) level 11 for the free feat to get dimensional dervish. And the dimensional assault line are not combat feats so a fighter dip doesn't help, nor are they ranger combat style feats so a ranger dip doesn't help either, nor are they on a monk bonus feat list and even a wizard cannot use bonus feats for the dimensional assault feats. Without feat retraining, to get dimensional dervish at level 9 a character has to have dimension door by level 5 and a +6 BAB at level 9. Ah, my mistake.
Well, consensus seems that the earliest possible without racial or retraining shenanigans is 11th. Which puts it about on par with when many classes receive such full attack on a move abilities.
All Classes at Level 9
(Base Class 5/Shadowdance 4)
Magus (Spell Dancer) 9 get the same benefits even without using the feat-chain.
A magus has no real need for this feat chain as he can full attack with bladed dash. Only drawback is the limited range.
Bladed dash is ONE attack...
unlike d.door and
30 ft only (as said)
a straight line
barriers stop it
you go through dangerous auras/areas in-between
movement effects slow it
needs line of sight to end point to cast
Granted it does give int to hit which is a boon.
Also bladed dash is inner sea magic (regional magic is regional in some campaigns - written in a different language and unknown to outsiders).
A wolf shaman Druid who selects the Travel Domain can do it at 8th level, as mentioned above. Its not worth it unless you're also taking Preferred Spell, as mentioned and of all your choices, it is the most feat-taxing as a result.
A Horizon Walker who takes the Astral terrain dominance can do it at 9th level. In my opinion, this is the best option for several reasons:
— The effect is a spell-like ability that scales with your character level instead of a caster level. This makes Horizon Walker the best option for a multiclass character.
— You can use the spell-like ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Wisdom. This means its the only method where you can (relatively) easily pump up the number of daily uses of Dimension Door that you gain.
— You only need a three-level dip in Horizon Walker to get all of this, although Levels 1 and 2 in the class are rather boring.
Wizard Level 1 - Conjuration Arcane school with the Teleportation subdomain. If you're human you can have all 3 dimensional feats by level 5.
Just a 1 level dip isn't too bad if you plan on going something more melee heavy afterwards. I do like the Magus Spelldancer archetype...
Whoops my mistake, I meant if you're human you can have all 3 feats by Level 3 if you're a Human.
Except for that whole BAB requirement, PapaZorro.
A magus can benefit from d.dervish better than f.hook charge because with dervish you can bouncy around the field hitting anyone/everyone once (possibly debuffing along the way depending on your build) for great field control where as any spell you cast via spell combat will only allow 1 move instead of one between each attack.
insaneogeddon wrote: Bladed dash is ONE attack... You use it with Spell Combat, first casting the spell. That moves you 30' to the target and includes an attack as part of the spell. Then you can make your normal full attack.
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PapaZorro wrote: Wizard Level 1 - Conjuration Arcane school with the Teleportation subdomain. If you're human you can have all 3 dimensional feats by level 5.
Just a 1 level dip isn't too bad if you plan on going something more melee heavy afterwards. I do like the Magus Spelldancer archetype...
Shift is not dimension door or abundant steps, and dimensional agility has as a requirement "[a]bility to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door." Shift is it's own special ability which says "as if using dimension door", it doesn't say "can cast dimension door" (see synthesist summoner). Shift isn't a Spell Like Ability (which "function just like spells") but a Supernatural Ability, it isn't "cast" but instead is "used". A GM might rule that shift can be used to qualify for the dimensional agility as a house rule, but it would be a house rule.
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that came across too harsh, it wasn't an attack but I've been down this road before and using shift to qualify for dimensional agility doesn't work. I keep hoping someone can come up with a new way to get Dimensional Assault before level 11 but the only ways that have survived so far are feat retraining & a samsaran abusing the mystic past life to get dimension door as a level 3 spell from the summoner spell list.
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