Optimization challenge! AC wizard!


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Sczarni

Highest AC on a wizard, max lvl 10 go!

Scarab Sages

Full plate + Tower shield + armored kilt + at least 12 Dex + Ring of Protection + Amulet of Nat. Armor = at least 27. Likely 29 if the ring and amulet are both +2.

Oh, you want me to Cast Spells?! Whatever...


I don't know the numbers ( i am at work at the min with no acsses to my books) but there is a hellknight presige class that lets you wear full plate and no dint in your spellcasting. ( I think)

Sczarni

hey the wizard doesn't have to be able to cast, just all the options that'd be available, penalties be damned!


Fighter 1, Wizard 9. Arcane Armor Training, Arcane Armor Mastery and Dodge. 16 Dex, +2 Mithril Full Plate, +2 Mithril Light Steel Shield, Montrous Physique III, Ring of Protection +2. Thats 36 with only a 5% spell failure chance.


Heh it's a wizard ... he can access and use Still Spell especially if the goal is AC. Could drop him in the Paladins +5 Adamantine Plate Armor and +5 Adamantine Tower Shield at that point and he'd cast just fine even if most of his spell list was 'shifted' upward a level effectively. Of course given the typical wizards strength score actually moving across the room might be a challenge, but that's okay he can start each encounter casting Still Bull Strength and Still Monstrous Physique II and gain +8 to strength (and +4 Nat Arm) :p ...

Sczarni

early access eldritch knight...

fighter 1/wizard1/eldritch 3/hell knight 5....

no ASF in full plate =D

If epic was going on, the epic armor mastery, bam no ASF from shields (hello tower shield!)


BigDTBone wrote:
Fighter 1, Wizard 9. Arcane Armor Training, Arcane Armor Mastery and Dodge. 16 Dex, +2 Mithril Full Plate, +2 Mithril Light Steel Shield, Montrous Physique III, Ring of Protection +2. Thats 36 with only a 5% spell failure chance.

Monk 1 Wizard 9

Start 20 Dex, 18 Wis, level 4 and level 8 +1 Dex

Dodge, Combat Expertise

Active Spells: Mage Armor, Shield, Monstrous Physique III, Owls Wisdom, Cats Grace, Haste

Equipment: 62,000 gp
Ring of Protection +4 32,000
Amulet of nat Armor +3 18,000
Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier 5,000
Dusty Rose Prism 5,000
2,000 gp to spare
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Base 10
Dodge 1
32 Dex (as a Diminutive Monstrous Humanoid) 11
Ring of Protection 4
Amulet of nat Armor 3
Natural Armor 1
Luck Bonus 1
Insight Bonus 1
Size Bonus 4
Shield 4
Mage Armor 4
Monk Armor Bonus 6
Haste 1

Total: 51 Armor, 0% Arcane Spell Failure

+2 when using combat expertise, +4 when full defensive

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Forgot about owls wisdom and cats grace, added them

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I dont think there actually is a diminutive monstrous humanoid, is that a requirement? ^^


Don't think that monk AC bonus will work if you have a shield. Maybe if you dipped Sohei somehow, but I doubt it.

Liberty's Edge

Shield Spell


Grishnack
what do you think about mixing in 1 level of alchemis for mutagen?
mutagen 4 dex +2NA -2wis (instead of amulet) and you can spend the gold in other things?
you get +8 from fighting using combat expertise (+2 from +4BA) PLUS full defense (+6 with 3 ranks in acrobatics) add it ^^

Size modifier from monstruous physique stacks with the racial size modifier from a halfling? (can't think of a tiny race)


Laif wrote:

Grishnack

what do you think about mixing in 1 level of alchemis for mutagen?
mutagen 4 dex +2NA -2wis (instead of amulet) and you can spend the gold in other things?
you get +8 from fighting using combat expertise (+2 from +4BA) PLUS full defense (+6 with 3 ranks in acrobatics) add it ^^

Size modifier from monstruous physique stacks with the racial size modifier from a halfling? (can't think of a tiny race)

size modifiers do not stack

alchemist is a nice idea, but we loose level 5 spells, so no more monstrous physique 3, which leaves alchemist at -1 AC compared to the wizard level. but if we go down to wizard 8 we might es well go to wizard 7 an still have level 4 spells. with one level of urban barbarian we get another +4 dex, and qualify for the extra rage power feat to pick up guarded stance and/or rolling dodge, giving another +4 AC.

combat expertise and full defense won't stack as you need to attack to use combat expertise and you need a standart action to use full defense. The acrobatics bonus is nice tho.

So im getting to 54 AC with Monk 1 Alchemist 1 Urban Barbarian 1 Wizard 7 now, +2 for combat expertise or +6 for full defense

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how many wizard levels does the build have to have in order to be a "wizard build"?


Then use combat expertise WHILE fighting defensively and you get +2 Combat Exp +3Fight. Def.ly if you don't want to go in full defense.
Acr. increases Fighting defensively too ^^


Laif wrote:

Then use combat expertise WHILE fighting defensively and you get +2 Combat Exp +3Fight. Def.ly if you don't want to go in full defense.

Acr. increases Fighting defensively too ^^

i never really thought about it, but combat expertise and fighting defensively actually work together, nice, thats 54 AC when casting, 59 when attacking or 60 when using full defense

Liberty's Edge

Wizard lvl 1
20 Dex +"mage armor" + "Shield" + "Reduce person" = 25AC

Sczarni

Lets for a second assume that you do plan on casting spells, and your 20pt build won't feature dex of 18.

up to two levels can be lost from classes etc.

My own thoughts of this is to go str/dex/con/int 14 and toss racial into int, from there go eldritch knight and EK, maybe pick up some shield focus, dodge, etc.


lantzkev wrote:
Lets for a second assume that you do plan on casting spells, and your 20pt build won't feature dex of 18.

St 7, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 7 before Racials

Level 4 and Level 8 Attribute Bonus into Dex

Attributes at level 10 before Spells/Items/Race: Dex 18, Int 15, Wis 16

lantzkev wrote:
up to two levels can be lost from classes etc.

I think by this you mean "has to be able to cast Spells as a level 8+ Wizard

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Adjusting my build from before considering the new informations:

I will not use combat expertise/fight defensively/total defense any more, as he is trying to cast spells

I will not add Attribute Boni to Wisdom unless he has an equal bonus on intelligence

I will limit myself to a reasonable amount of selfbuffs (no more stacking owls wisdom/cats grace to go cheap on items)

I will only use polymorph spells, if 1. There is actually a creature of the corresponding size and type and 2. the Creature is able to cast verbal and somatic components

I will not use any rage powers as he wants to cast spells

I will actually spend some of the money on a cloak of resistance
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Swirfneblin Monk 1 Alchemist 1 Wizard 8

Using Reduce Person

Attributes at level 10 (using the 7/16/10/15/16/7 array)
3/20/8/15/18/3

Feats: Dodge

Gear:
Amulet of Natural Armor +2 8,000
Ring of Protection +3 18,000
Belt of Dex +2 4,000
Headband of Int and Wis +2 10,000
Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier 5,000
Dusty Rose Prism 5,000
Cloak of Resistance +3 9,000

spent 59k of 62k, 3k to spare

Spells: Shield, Mage Armor, Reduce Person, Haste
Other: Mutagen
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Ac Breakdown:

Dodge Bonus: 1(Dodge Feat)+2(Swirfneblin)+1(Haste) = 4
Natural Armor: 2(Mutagen) + 2(Item) = 4
Dex: 6
Wis: 5
Armor: 4(Mage Armor)
Shield: 4(Shield Spell)
Deflection: 3(Ring)
Luck: 1(Jingasa)
Insight: 1(Rose Prism)
Size: 2

Base: 10

Total: 44

Lets see how an eldritch Knight build keeps up!


remember that there is no need for amulet of natural armor since the mutagen already provides +2 natural armor, you can spend the gold in something else


Laif wrote:
remember that there is no need for amulet of natural armor since the mutagen already provides +2 natural armor, you can spend the gold in something else

Mutagen provides +2 natural Armor

Amulet proved an enhancement bonus to your natural armor

the 2 actually stack.

it works like Fullplate an Fullplate +2

the fullplate grants armor, the +2 grants an enhancement bonus to this armor. Natural Armor from Mutagen is the Fullplate in this example and the Amulet the +2

Sczarni

I believe if you're looking at the elemental form etc, they just provide a straight bonus, so they stack as well.. and eliminate the need for alchemist.

Sczarni

so I just made up a lvl 7 char...

had about 27k and couldn't spend more than 11.7k roughly on any item.

tiefling, tanked charisma, str/dex/con 14 int 19, wis 10 went early access EK through divination, so ftr 1/wiz 1/ek 3/hell knight 2.

+1 mithral full plate w/spikes
+2 mithral buckler
Warrior Jengasa
Cursed Ioun stone

Feats: Toppling spell, Combat expertise, ARcane armor mastery (and the imp version), Fiendsight x2, armor of the pit will be at lvl 9 for +2 ac.
Next level will eleminate spell failure completely,

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