Winter Witch Archetype Water Patron


Rules Questions


I saw that the Vengeance patron had been removed from the Winter Witch archetype list due to having a lot of fire spells in it, which the winter witch can't cast. However, the Water patron is still allowed, and its level 10/5th-level patron spell is Geyser, which also has the Fire descriptor. Is that allowed, can water-patron winter witches not cast that spell in spite of technically having it, or should this patron be banned to the archetype or have a different spell for that level?


Has anyone else noticed this, or has it been asked and answered before?


I guess last try here, anyone have any input on this issue?


Without really knowing the archetype - domains/revelations/bloodlines can give spells where one would not normally have access, so it's probably fine.


I'll be frank, vengeance was removed because it had 3/10 spells granted that could not be cast, water only 1/10. I'm guessing the lesser severity and the thematic connection between ice and water would make it strange to ban it based on that.

I'd personally warn a player that he wouldn't be able to use that spell, but for reasons given earlier, I'd let him if he were adamant about it.

I guess the situation was never considered as pressing, as it was for the revegeance patron.

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