How could I make something like Malthael from diablo 3 as a plaer character.
An angel of death.
Malthael:
-He wields two shotel's
-Has Wings
-Magic user or has magical abilities
-Used to be the angel of wisdom, so cleric could fit the theme.
In Pathfinder:
-Can't dualwield shotel's
-How to get wings?
-Cleric or Oracle?
-Maybe Scythe to replace shotel or two sickles.
-Death Domain or the one subdomain from pharasma.
Any idea's or advice? All idea's/advice are welcome.
In Pathfinder, you can dual wield shotels. It's a one-handed weapon, so it'll have heftier penalties, but it can be done.
Well, a Shotel is an one-handed weapon, so you can dual wield them.
Consider the Sica, which is a smaller Shotel, and a light weapon.
Now, some questions:
Books allowed?
Races allowed?
Point buy?
All paizo books/official pathfinder.
Race all Core races.20 points or 3d6+6.
Ah.
I was going to suggest Aasimar, but you are not allowed.
So, more caster, or more melee?
Either, which ever works better and is More powerful. Like truly an angel of death in combat and outside it.
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Well, an Oracle, with the Dark Tapestry Mystery is thematically fitting.
You won't be doing much with the Shotel, but the Wings of Darkness, and spell selection, it will fit the theme.
Well, an Oracle, with the Dark Tapestry Mystery is thematically fitting.
You won't be doing much with the Shotel, but the Wings of Darkness, and spell selection, it will fit the theme.
How about combat wise, how would it work?
Shotel isn't a must naturally, but is nice if one can fit it in.Is it possible to create a good combat build with dark tapestry?
Or without battle mystery at all as an oracle?
Well, a good Battle Oracle would work too.
You could go with Racial Heritage, and nab the Draconic Aspect line of feats to gain wings.
I would just refluff most of it.
The refluffing will work, the DM likes these sorts of things that don't change mechanically but add just some fluff to the character and more RP depth.
Wouldn't it be easier to go Racial Heritage (Aasimar) > Angelic Blood > Angelic Wings? Also, then they're angel wings.
Wouldn't it be easier to go Racial Heritage (Aasimar) > Angelic Blood > Angelic Wings? Also, then they're angel wings.
No aasimars in our campaign. Otherwise yes.
If allowed, the ACG Warpriest playtest class would work too.
Follow the Racial Heritage/Draconic Aspect line, and combine Divine magic, with combat prowess.
This will also allow you to use the Shotel/Sica weapons, with increased damage.
Have to ask the Dm on them. Highly doubt since we do not have that books.
Dragon Disciple could be refluffed as Angelic. It would be more likely to be approved since the Draconic Aspect line are Kobold only feats and the game is core races only.
Flame Oracle with wings of flame would work, or you could refluff a witches flight hex as wings.
Can't take any sickle weapon or such when using a dragon disciple.
The Oracle dark tapestry seems really good with darkness and all those, blind fighting in darkness will be good for him since he will see in all the darkness while enemies are blind.I'd like a shield with a shotel and good in melee with buffs.
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Have to ask the Dm on them. Highly doubt since we do not have that books.If allowed, the ACG Warpriest playtest class would work too.
Follow the Racial Heritage/Draconic Aspect line, and combine Divine magic, with combat prowess.
This will also allow you to use the Shotel/Sica weapons, with increased damage.
Actually, they are free to download here.
Why not? It's a Sorc PRC and there are no weapon restrictions. Granted it is 9th level in the PRC before you get wings, but there is nothing in DD stopping you from using shotels.
Can't take any sickle weapon or such when using a dragon disciple.
Ah yes, sorry didn't explain myself quite well.
I mean I try to optimise this build since it really isn't that powerful build in the first place so I try to make the most of it.I just love the dark tapestry mystery even though it's not the best.
Just wondering how to make a good melee oracle with dark tapestry, any advice on it?
Any diablo fans who know anything more about malthael? What kind of character would he be?
Actually, they are free to download here.Have to ask the Dm on them. Highly doubt since we do not have that books.If allowed, the ACG Warpriest playtest class would work too.
Follow the Racial Heritage/Draconic Aspect line, and combine Divine magic, with combat prowess.
This will also allow you to use the Shotel/Sica weapons, with increased damage.
Yeah found them myself before, sadly no we will not use them. Only core,apg,UC and UM classes plus all the zillion prestige classes paizo has released that I can find in d20pfsrd.
Do you know how to make a good melee oracle of dark tapestry?
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You could stick with Oracle, then nab the Scaled Disciple feat(via Racial Heritage), then go into Dragon Disciple.
You could stick with Oracle, then nab the Scaled Disciple feat(via Racial Heritage), then go into Dragon Disciple.
Do my Dark tapestry abilities progress if I take ddisciple?
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You could stick with Oracle, then nab the Scaled Disciple feat(via Racial Heritage), then go into Dragon Disciple.Do my Dark tapestry abilities progress if I take ddisciple?
No, but you could choose another Mystery, and still get Wings, and have more combat options.
Wouldn't this fall outside the "Only core, APG, UC and UM" restriction? Scaled Disciple is from Kobolds of Golarion.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Eldritch Heritage feats. Pick a bloodline that gives you wings later.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Eldritch Heritage feats. Pick a bloodline that gives you angelic wings later.Those will not come until much later.
That is why I did not mention them.
It's still worth noting, though.
You get them at level 11. It's not too bad.
Another option would be an Alchemist with the wings discovery. Alchemists can be pretty potent in melee and might fit the flavor more.
Hmm that's a great idea! Is it possible for alchemists to dual wield ''effectively'' by that I mean better than the rogue? They do get some buffs from their formulas and mutagens don't they?
Could it work especially if you team up with a melee inquisitor?
Everybody does everything better than a Rogue.
Alchemist makes a fairly effective melee character.
Beyond bashing the rogue :) Does it make an effective SA build?
Have you considered using Kukris instead of Sicas? They deal 1 less damage, but they look broadly similar, have triple the critical chance, and don't require exotic weapon proficiency.
Two Weapon Fighting will be problematic almost however you approach it, as it's feat intensive and always carries an attack penalty. I would consider Synthesist Summoner, and fluff its natural weapons as Shotels.
what level range will you be playing? that actually makes a huge difference in terms of what's most effective for your concept (and, you have to recognize that it'll take a while to bring together everything you want to do)...
if you're starting at low level and want to prioritize the wings: start out with alchemist[vivisectionist] 6 for the wings discovery, then (since you've already chosen a martial path to death dealing) level as a ranger so you can get the 2WF feats without the necessary Dex (which will allow you to focus on Str).
if you want to prioritize the 2WF: decide how committed to 2 shotels you are... if you're okay with a sica (or 2) go Str based ranger, if you really want the shotels go 2wpn warrior (fighter arch). then, in either case, use feats to pick up wings- racial heritage [kobold]->draconic aspect->draconic glide->draconic paragon; or, skill focus[heal]->eldritch heritage[celestial]->improved eldritch heritage[celestial] (both of which come online about 11th level). if you download the Advanced Class Guide playtest, there is an even better option- a celestial bloodrager gains wings and a number of other angelic traits while raging... then just use your feats for 2WF, EWP, and whatever else you need.
if you are starting at higher level (or completely expect to get there, and are patient) i'd consider going with a caster instead... a celestial sorcerer gets wings starting at 9th plus, you know, power over reality (you could also go crossblooded with arcane for better metamagic options and whatnot, if you wanted). if you're going to be the angel of death, focus on necromancy (spell focus, greater focus, the 15th level arcane power) and at higher levels you can toss around finger of death and circle of death (if you take spell perfection and magical lineage for suffocation you can use extended/persistent, or extended/quickened, castings with a really high DC to kill anything that breathes pretty effectively). for the combat stuff- invest a couple feat in 2WF and EWP and learn a couple solid buffs... know that generally you will kill with magic (and maybe keep one shotel drawn for show, especially if its a bonded item), but if/when you need to throwdown you can stack monstrous physique with transformation and go to town.
As long as your 5th level I would go Synth Summoner if its allowed. By the books you posted it is but you may have banned it as a group. The eidolon looks like what you want it to look like so go full on dark angel. You will need to burn a feat to use any non simple weapons but you will have great mental stats and your Str could be a 20 at 5th level. I would go biped as base form.
Have you considered using Kukris instead of Sicas? They deal 1 less damage, but they look broadly similar, have triple the critical chance, and don't require exotic weapon proficiency.
Two Weapon Fighting will be problematic almost however you approach it, as it's feat intensive and always carries an attack penalty. I would consider Synthesist Summoner, and fluff its natural weapons as Shotels.
Hmm true kukri's might be good, no I'm not married to the shotel's they are just cool and well exactly what the inspiration character wields.
Oh yes ok/sad we do not have any summoner class in our game. Forgot it completely.
Yeah if you want to be a beast in combat and have magics then you can't do it better than Synth Summoner.
what level range will you be playing? that actually makes a huge difference in terms of what's most effective for your concept (and, you have to recognize that it'll take a while to bring together everything you want to do)...
if you're starting at low level and want to prioritize the wings: start out with alchemist[vivisectionist] 6 for the wings discovery, then (since you've already chosen a martial path to death dealing) level as a ranger so you can get the 2WF feats without the necessary Dex (which will allow you to focus on Str).
if you want to prioritize the 2WF: decide how committed to 2 shotels you are... if you're okay with a sica (or 2) go Str based ranger, if you really want the shotels go 2wpn warrior (fighter arch). then, in either case, use feats to pick up wings- racial heritage [kobold]->draconic aspect->draconic glide->draconic paragon; or, skill focus[heal]->eldritch heritage[celestial]->improved eldritch heritage[celestial] (both of which come online about 11th level). if you download the Advanced Class Guide playtest, there is an even better option- a celestial bloodrager gains wings and a number of other angelic traits while raging... then just use your feats for 2WF, EWP, and whatever else you need.
if you are starting at higher level (or completely expect to get there, and are patient) i'd consider going with a caster instead... a celestial sorcerer gets wings starting at 9th plus, you know, power over reality (you could also go crossblooded with arcane for better metamagic options and whatnot, if you wanted). if you're going to be the angel of death, focus on necromancy (spell focus, greater focus, the 15th level arcane power) and at higher levels you can toss around finger of death and circle of death (if you take spell perfection and magical lineage for suffocation you can use extended/persistent, or extended/quickened, castings with a really high DC to kill anything that breathes pretty effectively). for the combat stuff- invest a couple feat in 2WF and...
Propably anywhere from level 4-7 when the character starts and I'm not that caster patient. Also no the wing's are the only thing and biggest thing, they are just a component I want to include, but I'd rather want him to be able to deal death against the enemy with something well morbidly themed, like the vivisectionist or dark tapestry etc. That's why they are so interesting and appealing to me.
If I'd get to buil a level +7 I'd do a sorcerer for sure with celestial or heaven etc. bloodlines. Or was that the same bloodline...
Yeah if you want to be a beast in combat and have magics then you can't do it better than Synth Summoner.
Sadly no summoners =/ I know it would be total beast, but also no one in my game group optimises at all, beyond well this makes sense and works and they check that nothing is complete crap.
Only I really care about the mechanics more heavily, so I'll want the theme angel of death to be more than just a cool concept that in reality would suck. So I want that he can actually bring death upon his enemies.
I would suggest an inquisitor, their bane ability makes them very good at murdering their chosen targets, some divine magic as well
looking at pictures of Malthael, his shotels look more like khopesh than sica/kukri. You could even just make them scimatars or sawtooth sabres.
How could I make something like Malthael from diablo 3 as a plaer character.
An angel of death.Malthael:
-He wields two shotel's
-Has Wings
-Magic user or has magical abilities
-Used to be the angel of wisdom, so cleric could fit the theme.In Pathfinder:
-Can't dualwield shotel's
-How to get wings?
-Cleric or Oracle?
-Maybe Scythe to replace shotel or two sickles.
-Death Domain or the one subdomain from pharasma.Any idea's or advice? All idea's/advice are welcome.
Dual Wielding Vivisectionist is a pretty strong choice. While slightly weaker than a natural weapon using Vivisectionist, you still can fight like a Rogue with inbuild self buff and other spells.
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Why not add Beastmorph to the Vivisectionist and add in angelic flavoring? That could get him stuff like wings and darkvision. ALSO if you take he Master Chymist PrC, it basically gives you a complete alternate personality when in mutagen, this could be the dual aspect of Malthael (wisdom/death, though I know in canon he doesn't ever switch back and forth, this would give a more mechanical representation)