Enlarge person and size bonuses to stealth etc


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According to the spell itself, Enlarge Person only applies size bonus +2 to strength and size penalty -2 to dexterity, and -1 AC due to increased size, along with resizing your worn equipment.

According to Magic section, regarding Transmutation spells, only polymorph subschool mentions about changing your combat maneuver and stealth modifiers due to your new size. Enlarge Person is not Transmutation (Polymorph), only Transmutation, which leads me to understand that if a small creature were to become enlarged, he would still benefit from the original size +4 bonus to stealth (and suffer from the original size penalties to combat maneuvers)

Is this correct? To me it sounds a bit wonky. If I were in position to make any rulings, I'd say polymorphing rules regarding changing size would apply to size-changing spells and effects as much as with polymorph spells.

This is rather relevant since my AP character just got reincarnated from human to halfling, having his human racial bonus on strength, effectively reducing his strength by 4 (not fun, like, at all when my character is melee oriented) and I was considering buying Enlarge Person with Permanency. And I might add, stealth isn't nor will be in anyway a major factor for the character, even if he would still benefit from that wonky bonus.


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I'd stop looking that closely at the rules, and look more at the resulting situation. A no-longer-small creature shouldn't get bonuses (or penalties) for being small, since, you know... it isn't.

The rules simply cannot cover every eventuality (and sometimes the writers just skipped over some essential stuff). That's why the game needs GMs, and that's why the GMs need Common Sense.


Yes, you lose the +4 bonus to stealth.

It's not a 'racial' bonus. It more or less just reminder text from the stealth rules.

From Stealth Skill wrote:
Creatures gain a bonus or penalty on Stealth checks based on their size: Fine +16, Diminutive +12, Tiny +8, Small +4, Medium +0, Large -4, Huge -8, Gargantuan -12, Colossal -16.

Look up your size then find the modifier.

Sczarni

Someone who has been enlarged likewise receives bonuses to CMD and CMB.


That's what I thought.


A small creature enlarged to medium does get 30 foot movement if they had 20, correct? The line about it increasing speed seems to be referring specifically for medium to large enlargement. Am I right about that?


No, it's still 20ft movespeed

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