Aid Another Bonuses (Halfling, Order of the Dragon, Protection Virtue)


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Liberty's Edge

These seem clearly not designed to stack and it'd be unreasonable to let them all, but if you were going to allow any of them to stack, which and why and how many stacks?

Order of the Dragon:
Aid Allies (Ex)
At 2nd level, whenever an order of the dragon cavalier uses the aid another action to assist one of his allies, the ally receives a +3 bonus to his armor class, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check. At 8th level, and every six levels thereafter, this bonus increases by an additional +1.

Helpful (Halfling)
You see nothing wrong with letting others achieve greatness so long as the job gets done.
Benefit: Whenever you successfully perform an aid another action, you grant your ally a +4 bonus instead of the normal +2.

Creed of Protection (Virtue)
Prerequisite(s): Good-aligned. In addition, you must always stand up for those weaker than yourself and defend your community against those that prey upon it.
Benefit: When you use the aid another action to improve an ally's AC against attacks, the bonus increases to +4 instead of +2.

Especially combined with:

Bodyguard (Combat)
Your swift strikes ward off enemies attacking nearby allies.
Prerequisite: Combat reflexes.
Benefit: When an adjacent ally is attacked, you may use an attack of opportunity to attempt the aid another action to improve your ally’s AC. You may not use the aid another action to improve your ally’s attack roll with this attack.
Normal: Aid another is a standard action.

Thoughts?

Dark Archive

They don't stack since they each replace your base aid modifier.

Liberty's Edge

Yes, I think you're right. Sorry, I should / should have posted in Advice or homebrew about whether allowing a character to stack some would be reasonable.

The Exchange

letting them stack is reasonable, since you are building your character to be a support character. there are much more unbalanced things you could do than be a guy who spends his time defending. especially considering this type of build often provides no bonuses against casters or traps.


I am concerned that I might be reading the Order of the Dragon's "Aid Allies" too generously.

Unlike Helpful or the Protection feat, "Aid Allies" does not mention the original Aid Another bonus, but applies its own bonus to the situation. Am I likely reading this too loosely, or can "Aid Allies" properly be understood to augment the other two?


Wyrmfoe nails it. Order of the Dragon does not replace. It doesn't even really augment. It just applies an untyped bonus to whatever thing you were aiding. It will stack with Helpful or Creed of Virtue.


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For resource's sake, these are other easily obtained bumps to Aid Another:

Benevolent armor/weapons (AC or attack, respectively)
Ring of Tactical Precision
Gloves of Arcane Strike (AC or attack)
Kin Guardian trait
Fools for Friends trait
Strategy Variant Channel
Battle Herald Teamwork Inspiring Command
Cavalier Honor Guard (AC only)

I might be missing a few more. In any case, you can easily be applying a +10-14 AC buff to allies using the aforementioned Bodyguard feat. All within rules-as-written.

Liberty's Edge

Oh wow, that's amazing RAW and ridiculous. Sorry for self-thread necromancy. Thanks all.

Silver Crusade

Better yet, a lot of them are relatively low investment so nothing says that your character has to "just" be a support character. You could stack a lot of them on something like a standard issue beatstick, add Bodyguard and I believe there's another feat that lets you Aid Other with a swift action and just do those. Bodyguard, swift Aid other, and full attack to leave dead monsters in your wake.

Liberty's Edge

My favorite is archon style champion of Irori, for high level amazingness.

It would probably mess up the game though. You could just have two people start stacking these for crazy ac on both of them.

Shield paladin anyone?

Liberty's Edge

I don't know of any way to aid faster than standard or bodyguard AOO is effortless aid, the investigator talent.

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