Horsechopper + 1 Promo Card

[Hawkmoon269]

I was looking at the promo cards that were shown on Paizo's blog. I believe Horsechopper + 1 is missing the word "not" prior to the word proficient. I'm assuming it should match other weapons we've seen that say "If you are not proficient with weapons, the difficulty of the check is increased by 4."

Of course this is only a digital copy and the real card may not have this issue.

[Drunkenping]

This was addressed here.

[Hawkmoon269]

Drunkenping wrote:

This was addressed here.

Ah. Ok. That explains that. Thanks. I don't know much about Goblin jokes.

[Richard Edwards]

While I understand the weapon is awkward and that it's a joke and that Vic has the last word, IMHO it's stupid. Weapon proficiency should let you use any weapon better than those without training or at worst, no different. Experts would not be worse than untrained. Makes no sense. I sense a house rule looming.

[Mechalibur]

Richard Edwards wrote:

While I understand the weapon is awkward and that it's a joke and that Vic has the last word, IMHO it's stupid. Weapon proficiency should let you use any weapon better than those without training or at worst, no different. Experts would not be worse than untrained. Makes no sense. I sense a house rule looming.

Meh. Characters with weapon proficiency have way better options than that the horsechopper anyway. This way, it's a fun and silly card for characters like Ezren.

[Brainwave]

If it's supposed to be a weapon made for goblins then how about something like "If used by a character without the goblin trait, the difficulty of the check is increased by 4." OR just simply "the difficulty of the check to use this weapon is increased by 4" since there are no goblin characters.

Pretty much agree with Richard's post above and regarding it being "a fun and silly card" - this isn't Munchkin.

[Russ Taylor]

While it's not Munchkin, the promo cards tend towards the silly. And I think that's fine, they're optional.

[Richard Edwards]

A member of my group also suggested a fun take on it might be it's "cursed" and thus anyone skillful gains the negative while those not don't. It's "magical" and fun. Sometimes I need to not take things so seriously. More like Grimtooth's traps.

[Calthaer]

Cursed items...now that's an idea. You automatically acquire them...then they gum up the works in your deck. I hope I see that in the game some day.

[Brainwave]

That I like.

[kysmartman]

Hmmm...you really should have seen the S&S beta test promo cards then if this one bugs you. They got fixed btw.

[Joshua Birk 898]

Mechalibur wrote:

Meh. Characters with weapon proficiency have way better options than that the horsechopper anyway. This way, it's a fun and silly card for characters like Ezren.

I couldn't disagree more. Without the proficiency rules, it would basically be a +1 glaive, a weapon that would be almost as good as the impaler of thorns. At the midway point in the game, almost every party that people have posted used the impaler.

In fact, this card would fill an important whole in the current set of weapons. Aside from the Imapler, we haven't gotten better polearms than what we saw out of the gate. And the polearm power is amazing for every melee weapon character in the game that isn't named Valeros.