Ok, it's been done before, but here is my build, thus far. Wouldn't mind some feedback. I will include his items I've picked, but am hoping you all will give me more ideas for other Link items. I'm going to try to have a Navi as well.
I have chosen Human for my race. Deal with it.
The feats I've picked, keep in mind he is only at Level 5 right now.
Combat Expertise
Dodge
Skill Focus: Knowledge: The Planes (maybe Dungeoneering)
Mobility
Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) Familiar
Spring Attack
Whirlwind Attack
I want a familiar because I want a Navi. I think I'm going to start with a bird(raven) as he had in Link to the Past to fly him around. Then with my GM's permission going to take at 9th level improved familiar and have a Lantern Archon. (this is with permission, don't care if you the rules say something different, he is fine with it, not going to argue whether it's allowed, because, it is in my case)
Skills:
Focusing on these probably solely
Acrobatics (not a class skill, oh well)
Climb
Handle Animal (got to train Epona)
Ride
Swim
Craft Alchemy
Perform (Wind Instrument) (probably only a few points)
Knowledge (Dungeoneering or The Planes not sure which, see my feats)
Now the items I want to get so far.
(I'm not going to include pluses on these because we can upgrade an item over time to make it better)
Adamantine Longsword with holy and bane outsiders (evil)
Chainmail (of course)
Heavy Steel Shield Mirrored(possibly reflecting as well later)
Warhammer (magical or not, maul of the titans might be to much to ask)
Goron Sword (greatsword)
Bow (of course, not sure how to do the enchantments on this one)
Boomerang Returning
Belt of Giant Strength (perhaps reslotted to arms slot as the Power Bracelet like the old Gauntlets of Ogre Power)
Boots of the Cat (because he can always fall a long way and land on his feet and still takes a little damage)
Something that gives expeditious retreat, Cloak of the Hedge Wizard (transmutation) perhaps.
Handy Haversack (to keep everything in)
Folding Boat (fills the role of the raft and the boat from Windwaker)
Bullseye Lantern, of course
Diving Gear, (flippers)
Grappling Hook
Compass
As many Alchemical bombs and weapons I can manufacture
Now, any new items I should add to my wish list?
What do you think of my choices so far?
I like it so far.
Depending on what iteration of the sword you are using, either a longsword or a bastard sword would work best. I would consider a reflavoring of the Sunblade to satiate this (it also has great effects when used against evil opponents).
Chain Shirt actually fits the character better than chain mail, and it keeps your speed up (plus you need it to actually use spring attack) Until you can pick up something to substitute for magic armor.
I would use an Earthbreaker instead of a Warhammer.
Bow should have Frost, Flaming, and Holy on it.
He should also have some magic item like earrings most likely that grant fire immunity (skyward sword).
Something with water breathing on it.
I don't think alchemy makes sense. I can't think of a game in which he actually makes the bombs and potions he uses.
How about the Boots of Springing and Striding as a substitute for the Pegasus Boots?
Depending on what iteration of Link you want to play you might want to look at getting some wands. You'll also then need the Use Magic Device skill.
You'll have to get your GM to make sure every dungeon has various things in your way that you can only get past once you've gotten hold of the next item hidden in that dungeon.
I like it so far.
Depending on what iteration of the sword you are using, either a longsword or a bastard sword would work best. I would consider a reflavoring of the Sunblade to satiate this (it also has great effects when used against evil opponents).
Chain Shirt actually fits the character better than chain mail, and it keeps your speed up (plus you need it to actually use spring attack) Until you can pick up something to substitute for magic armor.
I would use an Earthbreaker instead of a Warhammer.
Bow should have Frost, Flaming, and Holy on it.
He should also have some magic item like earrings most likely that grant fire immunity (skyward sword).
Something with water breathing on it.
Water breathing...good idea. Maybe a bottle of air considering bottles are a thing Link likes.
I'm not familiar with the ruling that you have to wear light armor to spring attack...I don't see that in the rules for Spring Attack at all, or am I missing something?
As for the Sunblade, I'll have to look it up again in my old books, I don't think Pathfinder has a version I could find...can't remember what all Sunblade does.
Not sure what an Earthbreaker is either. You have source for that?
The Bow, I was thinking those three, but not sure how to make it work since would be selective on which was being used at any one time. Holy I guess could be with the other two at all times, but I'm figuring would have to enchant it like a double bladed weapon as far as figuring out cost.
Medium reduces speed, unless the feats are from ranger, then they have there own rules. For spring attack you really want the full movement.
I like it so far.
Depending on what iteration of the sword you are using, either a longsword or a bastard sword would work best. I would consider a reflavoring of the Sunblade to satiate this (it also has great effects when used against evil opponents).
Chain Shirt actually fits the character better than chain mail, and it keeps your speed up (plus you need it to actually use spring attack) Until you can pick up something to substitute for magic armor.
I would use an Earthbreaker instead of a Warhammer.
Bow should have Frost, Flaming, and Holy on it.
He should also have some magic item like earrings most likely that grant fire immunity (skyward sword).
Something with water breathing on it.
Water breathing...good idea. Maybe a bottle of air considering bottles are a thing Link likes.
I'm not familiar with the ruling that you have to wear light armor to spring attack...I don't see that in the rules for Spring Attack at all, or am I missing something?
As for the Sunblade, I'll have to look it up again in my old books, I don't think Pathfinder has a version I could find...can't remember what all Sunblade does.
Not sure what an Earthbreaker is either. You have source for that?
The Bow, I was thinking those three, but not sure how to make it work since would be selective on which was being used at any one time. Holy I guess could be with the other two at all times, but I'm figuring would have to enchant it like a double bladed weapon as far as figuring out cost.
Sunblade is in the CRB.
I think the Spring Attack ruling was 3.5 now that I think of it.
Earthbreaker I'm pretty sure is Ultimate Equipment, essentially it's the greatsword equivalent for hammers, 2d6, two-handed, x3 on a a crit.
When it comes to elemental enchantments on your bow, you can only use one at a time, which matches the games.
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Am I not seeing it or is there not a class mentioned? I suggest Paladin and the Master Sword can be a Holy Avenger or the "Mythic" Avenger and you get a free Epona. Also I would have what ever familiar you get worry about the Knowledge checks (in true Navi fashion). And finally with all those weapons I might suggest dropping the skill focus for Quick draw.
*Edit* Forgot Eldritch Heritage requires Skill focus...
I don't think alchemy makes sense. I can't think of a game in which he actually makes the bombs and potions he uses.
How about the Boots of Springing and Striding as a substitute for the Pegasus Boots?
Depending on what iteration of Link you want to play you might want to look at getting some wands. You'll also then need the Use Magic Device skill.
You'll have to get your GM to make sure every dungeon has various things in your way that you can only get past once you've gotten hold of the next item hidden in that dungeon.
I like the Alchemy, probably going to keep it.
The pegasus boots give a temporary burst of speed. Barring something being specifically made that gives a bonus to smash through doors and weakened walls on a charge with bonus move...I just wanted to have an occasional burst of speed, not a constant increase I was thinking.
I thought about the "spells" that Link would get in some games, I just kind of had to draw the line somewhere. I'm sticking more to the more recent 3D Zelda games for inspiration. Ocarina through Skyward Sword.
Am I not seeing it or is there not a class mentioned? I suggest Paladin and the Master Sword can be a Holy Avenger or the "Mythic" Avenger and you get a free Epona. Also I would have what ever familiar you get worry about the Knowledge checks (in true Navi fashion). And finally with all those weapons I might suggest dropping the skill focus for Quick draw.
My fault, it is Fighter class. I never saw Link as having any healing powers, and his 'Smite' was just him being Whirlwind attack and perhaps power attack. I still need to research how all that works. Can you Power Attack, Lunge and Whirlwind Attack at the same time? Dunno. But it would match the fully powered up spin attack in Windwaker where he spins and spins and stops all dizzy. (-2 to AC for Lunge, extended reach too) I think I'm going to see if I can do the Lantern Archon for Navi. Sing song voice. Glowing ball of light...so on. Do you have a better idea? Totally open to suggestions.
How about Lyrakien familiar instead of Lantern Archon? They can cast cure light wounds and remove exhaustion and fatigue - good way to model refilling the heart meter? Plus they can summon instrument at will for ocarina or flute or what-have-you.
I don't think alchemy makes sense. I can't think of a game in which he actually makes the bombs and potions he uses.
How about the Boots of Springing and Striding as a substitute for the Pegasus Boots?
Depending on what iteration of Link you want to play you might want to look at getting some wands. You'll also then need the Use Magic Device skill.
You'll have to get your GM to make sure every dungeon has various things in your way that you can only get past once you've gotten hold of the next item hidden in that dungeon.
I like the Alchemy, probably going to keep it.
The pegasus boots give a temporary burst of speed. Barring something being specifically made that gives a bonus to smash through doors and weakened walls on a charge with bonus move...I just wanted to have an occasional burst of speed, not a constant increase I was thinking.
I thought about the "spells" that Link would get in some games, I just kind of had to draw the line somewhere. I'm sticking more to the more recent 3D Zelda games for inspiration. Ocarina through Skyward Sword.
Boots of Haste would work for them.
Paladin isn't really the Link thing, Link doesn't cast spells, he uses magic items. Especially in the newer games where he doesn't even have a magic meter.
You are really gonna be starved on skills, are you open to third party feats? Open minded will give you an extra skill point per level on top of your human point and your point from INT.
How about Lyrakien familiar instead of Lantern Archon? They can cast cure light wounds and remove exhaustion and fatigue - good way to model refilling the heart meter? Plus they can summon instrument at will for ocarina or flute or what-have-you.
Lyrakien could do well. Hadn't really thought of that. Chaotic Good fits Link well enough. Taking peoples rupees to fund his quest. Ends justify the means kind of thing.
I was thinking Lantern Archon because they look like Navi. Well without the wings anyway.
I think I will switch to that though.
Hmm... do you mind if post a build here for comparison? I could have it up by Monday.
EDIT: this one would be based completely on both LttP and OoT.
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I feel like Link needs to have a few fairly specific qualities:
• Needs to have a positive INT mod, seeing as he's always solving puzzles.
• Needs to have a negative CHA mod, seeing as he's always barging into people's homes and then silently staring them down until they talk.
• Needs to be capable of a spin-attack.
• Needs to be proficient with boomerangs, bows, shields, and swords.
• Needs to be capable of activating any random magical item that he comes across.
• Needs to have pointy ears.
• Needs to wear chain-based armor (chain mail or chain shirt).
Beyond those things, I think most qualities are game-specific. But these are classic and usually pretty consistent.
So! Here's what I propose:
Link
Half-elf
STR 16 (14+2)
DEX 16
CON 12
INT 14
WIS 10
CHA 08
Takes the Ancestral Arms alternate racial trait, replacing Skill Focus with EWP (boomerang).
Has the Pragmatic Activator trait, letting him use INT for UMD.
Uses a longsword and a quickdraw shield, and his first feat is Quick Draw. This means that he can stow his shield (free action), stow his sword (move action), draw his bow (free action) and fire a shot (standard action). Next turn, he can stow the bow (move action), and draw his sword and shield again (free actions), and take a swing (standard action). Seamless switching between sword/shield and bow, just like in the games. Similarly, he can put away the shield, whip out the boomerang, attack with it, then whip out the shield again. Perfect!
He uses fighter levels (maybe Lore Warden for the extra skill points?) to get the Whirlwind Attack feat chain, giving him his spin-attack.
Wears elven chain armor.
Ta-da! It's Link!
Needs to have a negative CHA mod, seeing as he's always barging into people's homes and then silently staring them down until they talk.
Might need him some Intimidating Prowess then to be able to pull off the Silent Death Stare without the Cha score to boost it up.
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Paladin isn't really the Link thing, Link doesn't cast spells, he uses magic items. Especially in the newer games where he doesn't even have a magic meter.
Humbly,
Link is the Hero of Courage = Paladins have an Aura of Courage
Link has Epona = Paladins can have their mount
Master Sword, The Blade of Evil's Bane = Holy Avenger?
Link doesn't have spells (OoT excluded) = True but Paladin spells aren't really flashy
Link is an all around Good guy = Paladin minus the stick is an all around good guy (IMO)
Also, have you considered leadership for Navi purposes? Use a Pixie w/ Bard levels as a personal google app and buff buddy!
I was thinking Lantern Archon because they look like Navi. Well without the wings anyway.
I think I will switch to that though.
I was thinking original Legend of Zelda for the "fairy", I haven't really played any Zelda game since Link to the Past. But if you prefer the glowing light-ball, the Lyrakien can also cast dancing lights, and I don't see why they couldn't cast it on themselves.
Hmm... do you mind if post a build here for comparison? I could have it up by Monday.
EDIT: this one would be based completely on both LttP and OoT.
I have no qualms of having other builds posted. Looking for the feel of Link and other builds would be more than welcome. :)
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Paladin isn't really the Link thing, Link doesn't cast spells, he uses magic items. Especially in the newer games where he doesn't even have a magic meter.Humbly,
Link is the Hero of Courage = Paladins have an Aura of Courage
Link has Epona = Paladins can have their mount
Master Sword, The Blade of Evil's Bane = Holy Avenger?
Link doesn't have spells (OoT excluded) = True but Paladin spells aren't really flashy
Link is an all around Good guy = Paladin minus the stick is an all around good guy (IMO)
Also, have you considered leadership for Navi purposes? Use a Pixie w/ Bard levels as a personal google app and buff buddy!
Link's only aura is one of being mute. :)
Anyone can have a good war mount with Handle Animal.Holy Avenger? Meh...to lawful.
Your right, they are both all around good guys, except when Link comes in your house, smashes your pottery and steals your hard earned peasant money, then runs outside, stabs your chicken seven or eight times, the blows a hole in your shed to steal your retirement savings and smashes into you tree and eats all your apples. Link feels Chaotic Good or Neutral Good at best. :)
A Pixie? Hrm...to big. They are small sized. And people would start asking if I was dWonder if I could do a Lyrakien with levels...have to figure out how that works...
I was thinking original Legend of Zelda for the "fairy", I haven't really played any Zelda game since Link to the Past. But if you prefer the glowing light-ball, the Lyrakien can also cast dancing lights, and I don't see why they couldn't cast it on themselves.I was thinking Lantern Archon because they look like Navi. Well without the wings anyway.
I think I will switch to that though.
No, don't worry, I like they idea of the Lyrakien, thedescriptioins states she is surrounded by sparkling lights and gentle rainbow arcs. Good enough for me!
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Honestly, Epona is mostly a new addition to Link's mythos. If I'm not mistaken, she only appears in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. And of those appearances, Mounted Combat only features in Twilight Princess.
I think its safe to assume that Epona isn't a bonded companion; Link just has Mounted Combat and -really- good ranks in Ride.
Also, while Skyward Sword Link is the only one to wear armor, I can't think of a single game that has anything resembling a Pathfinder combat maneuver, so I wouldn't go Lore Warden. If anything, he's more likely to be either a Mobile Fighter, a Shielded Fighter, or a Weapon Master Fighter.
That said, Link definitely has Power Attack, a la his signature downward sword jump attack thingie. (His A + Down in Super Smash Bros.).
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Link's only aura is one of being mute. :)
Anyone can have a good war mount with Handle Animal.
Holy Avenger? Meh...to lawful.
Your right, they are both all around good guys, except when Link comes in your house, smashes your pottery and steals your hard earned peasant money, then runs outside, stabs your chicken seven or eight times, the blows a hole in your shed to steal your retirement savings and smashes into you tree and eats all your apples. Link feels Chaotic Good or Neutral Good at best. :)A Pixie? Hrm...to big. They are small sized. And people would start asking if I was dWonder if I could do a Lyrakien with levels...have to figure out how that works...
Maybe Link is a high level Aristocrat. He's not silent he just doesn't feel the need to talk to peasent filth. He's not stealing peasent money, he has a strong sense of entitlement and is claiming what is rightfully his. :D
And being serious again, maybe a pixie with the young template? I chose pixie because it was the first "fairy" like critter I saw that had flight and wasn't Chaotic.
*Edit* Had a thought.
We are blaming Link for us using him to break into peoples homes and taking everything they own... Have we no shame!
I think Chaotic (Good) is what they're going for here, actually.
Link's only aura is one of being mute. :)
Anyone can have a good war mount with Handle Animal.
Holy Avenger? Meh...to lawful.
Your right, they are both all around good guys, except when Link comes in your house, smashes your pottery and steals your hard earned peasant money, then runs outside, stabs your chicken seven or eight times, the blows a hole in your shed to steal your retirement savings and smashes into you tree and eats all your apples. Link feels Chaotic Good or Neutral Good at best. :)A Pixie? Hrm...to big. They are small sized. And people would start asking if I was dWonder if I could do a Lyrakien with levels...have to figure out how that works...
Maybe Link is a high level Aristocrat. He's not silent he just doesn't feel the need to talk to peasent filth. He's not stealing peasent money, he has a strong sense of entitlement and is claiming what is rightfully his. :D
And being serious again, maybe a pixie with the young template? I chose pixie because it was the first "fairy" like critter I saw that had flight and wasn't Chaotic.
*Edit* Had a thought.
We are blaming Link for us using him to break into peoples homes and taking everything they own... Have we no shame!
Hah! Well yes we are blaming Link for what we make him do. But remember, a Link to the Past would never have turned out well if Link hadn't ignored his uncle and followed him to the castle and then broke into it. Link has never listened to anyone. And has no personal boundaries. heh.
How would the pixie work anyway? it's CR4 so if it had say Bard 2 added on it would be what, Level 6? When determining level of followers I mean.
I think Chaotic (Good) is what they're going for here, actually.
Yeah I was thinking of Neutral Good originally. (I always read that as being the ends justify the means, Neutral Good I mean) But think I'm going to go Chaotic Good now. I need to be to get the Lyrakien. :)
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I think Chaotic (Good) is what they're going for here, actually.Yeah I was thinking of Neutral Good originally. (I always read that as being the ends justify the means, Neutral Good I mean) But think I'm going to go Chaotic Good now. I need to be to get the Lyrakien. :)
A NG character can have the Lyrakien. NG is within 1 step of CG.
Honestly, Epona is mostly a new addition to Link's mythos. If I'm not mistaken, she only appears in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. And of those appearances, Mounted Combat only features in Twilight Princess.
I think its safe to assume that Epona isn't a bonded companion; Link just has Mounted Combat and -really- good ranks in Ride.
Also, while Skyward Sword Link is the only one to wear armor, I can't think of a single game that has anything resembling a Pathfinder combat maneuver, so I wouldn't go Lore Warden. If anything, he's more likely to be either a Mobile Fighter, a Shielded Fighter, or a Weapon Master Fighter.
That said, Link definitely has Power Attack, a la his signature downward sword jump attack thingie. (His A + Down in Super Smash Bros.).
I'm mostly looking at Link from Ocarina of Time to today, and a horse is good to have in Pathfinder! Yeah I was just going to have a well trained horse from use of Handle Animal not an animal companion out of Epona.
I have him pegged as a sword and board fighter, his spin attack is Whirlwind attack, he does a jump attack when locked on and you press A then can immediately backflip away, calling that Spring Attack. He does shield bash in one of the games. Down strike as how his power attack is flavored. And with all the rolling about and jumping and backflips he does i thought he should have acrobatics, even if it isn't a class skill.
You bring up something I didn't even think about...and often don't think about when doing fighters...fighter class archetypes...I'm gonna go look...
A NG character can have the Lyrakien. NG is within 1 step of CG.I think Chaotic (Good) is what they're going for here, actually.Yeah I was thinking of Neutral Good originally. (I always read that as being the ends justify the means, Neutral Good I mean) But think I'm going to go Chaotic Good now. I need to be to get the Lyrakien. :)
I thought the description for Lyrakien specifically says you have to be Chaotic Good. Is that a rule change that happened?
Also alleviates her Starlight Blast from hurting me. :)
Improved Familiar does allow for one-step differences.
But being immune to special abilities is a definite plus.
CG is where I'd put Link anyway, mechanical bonus or not.
Improved Familiar does allow for one-step differences.
But being immune to special abilities is a definite plus.
CG is where I'd put Link anyway, mechanical bonus or not.
Okay, took improved familiar rule to say what it says, but I thought if the description said something different, you had to go by what it said in the bestiary.
To clarify it thought it only applied the improved familiar rule to like when you get a celestial hawk or something.
Good to know.
Improved familiar allows for one-step differences, but most of the outsider familiars specifically say you have to be the same alignment exactly.
Improved familiar allows for one-step differences, but most of the outsider familiars specifically say you have to be the same alignment exactly.
Right that's my question, how does that work? Do have to be Chaotic Good, or is Neutral Good okay as well?
I'm probably going to be Chaotic Good but would like to know the options available to make that bit work.
I believe specific rules from the monsters override the general rule from the feat. There are some familiars that don't specify, not the least of them the basic celestial/fiendish/resolute/entropic animals, and some things specify other than exact matches, like the Shadow Drake, which is Chaotic Evil but specifies that any evil alignment can take it as a familiar.
I believe specific rules from the monsters override the general rule from the feat. There are some familiars that don't specify, not the least of them the basic celestial/fiendish/resolute/entropic animals, and some things specify other than exact matches, like the Shadow Drake, which is Chaotic Evil but specifies that any evil alignment can take it as a familiar.
Cool, that's what I was thinking.
Anyway, Link will be Chaotic Good, at level 9 taking Improved Familiar, getting a Lyrakien. Then Navi will begin living in Link's square and using his body as cover. And every 1d4 rounds letting out a tiny nuke. Seems crazy.
I'm still getting over that you can use Lunge, Power Attack, and Whirlwind all at once. It feels to powerful, but that's probably because i'm used to old RPG's where fighter's basically suck after 5th level. Necessary, but suck.
It's a nice trick, but it's only super-powerful-looking in a world like Zelda's where magic is limited to moderate evocations, and martial characters don't have to compete against the higher echelons of Sorcerer/Wizard or Cleric/Oracle magic. I imagine you have more things like 3.5's Warlock/LRGG's Invoker (Aghanim I'm looking at you*), maybe some Bards and Inquisitors, and characters with lots of UMD than actual D&D-style full casters in the Zelda world.
*=Which reminds me, one piece of Link's equipment (either the Master Sword or the Mirror Shield, depending on game) needs the ability to let him use Deflect/Reflect Arrows on ray spells and other magical effects that use ranged touch attacks.
Good luck with your character, sounds like it'll be fun to play!
Yeah looking at the picture I'm probably going to need to have a bag of holding in addition to the Handy Haversack. Hah!
And now I see I need the Ice Rod, Fire Rod, Cane of Byrna (I think it was), the cloak that makes you invisible, Sand Rod...forget it...got to draw the line somewhere and just enjoy the flavor and maybe not try to have everything in every game.
It's a nice trick, but it's only super-powerful-looking in a world like Zelda's where magic is limited to moderate evocations, and martial characters don't have to compete against the higher echelons of Sorcerer/Wizard or Cleric/Oracle magic. I imagine you have more things like 3.5's Warlock/LRGG's Invoker (Aghanim I'm looking at you*), maybe some Bards and Inquisitors, and characters with lots of UMD than actual D&D-style full casters in the Zelda world.
*=Which reminds me, one piece of Link's equipment (either the Master Sword or the Mirror Shield, depending on game) needs the ability to let him use Deflect/Reflect Arrows on ray spells and other magical effects that use ranged touch attacks.
There is reflecting property you can put on a shield...but it's expensive and I probably won't have until later...:)
It's a nice trick, but it's only super-powerful-looking in a world like Zelda's where magic is limited to moderate evocations, and martial characters don't have to compete against the higher echelons of Sorcerer/Wizard or Cleric/Oracle magic. I imagine you have more things like 3.5's Warlock/LRGG's Invoker (Aghanim I'm looking at you*), maybe some Bards and Inquisitors, and characters with lots of UMD than actual D&D-style full casters in the Zelda world.
*=Which reminds me, one piece of Link's equipment (either the Master Sword or the Mirror Shield, depending on game) needs the ability to let him use Deflect/Reflect Arrows on ray spells and other magical effects that use ranged touch attacks.
Been thinking about it, so I know how to price it, what would you call the ability to deflect/reflect ray attacks? Be good to know for later on at least.
Also, while Skyward Sword Link is the only one to wear armor...
You're definitely forgetting about a bunch of LoZ games? In A Link to the Past, he wears a blue mail tunic and a red mail tunic. The blue mail comes from the Ice Palace and the red mail is in Ganon's Tower. He also gets Zora Armor in Twilight Princess, and the red and blue mails make an appearance in A Link Between Worlds. In OoT, he gets dodongo scale armor.
Just sayin'.