Can we bundle a Brine Dragon into a Portable Hole?
Assume the dragon is unconscious and we don't care about any muscle cramps he might suffer.
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Umm, trying to shove a creature that takes up a 10x10x10 space into a 6x6x10 space will not bode well. Isn't there a clause in Portable Holes that if you tear it the contents are forever lost? Because dragons have claws typically, and those might kinda cause a problem.
But I think it can work with squeezing rules. I would advise against it, but in a pinch you could do it.
I read the title of your post as "banging a dragon."
That would be an entirely different question.
On the topic of "banging a dragon" the core rulebook does sell portable rams for cramming things into other things. That may help with the bagging process.
Umm, trying to shove a creature that takes up a 10x10x10 space into a 6x6x10 space will not bode well. Isn't there a clause in Portable Holes that if you tear it the contents are forever lost? Because dragons have claws typically, and those might kinda cause a problem.
But I think it can work with squeezing rules. I would advise against it, but in a pinch you could do it.
That's combat space, which gives the creature some room to maneuver. Brine dragons aren't gelatinous cubes, last time I checked. They can always squeeze him in! There ARE rules for squeezing, after all.
That said, yeah, if the dragon wakes up before its air runs out...someone's going to be in for a world of hurt, one way or another.
@Trainwreck- Yep I have mastered the art of drawing attention to my Rules Question threads.
Quite aware of the dangers of the method to the dragon, but luckily I'm not fussed. He's been rather irritating.
Sure, it can be done. A large creature can squeeze into a 5 ft square, so you should be able to get it inside the hole. I'd probably require some sort of strenght roll to be able the bag the dragon.
Unlike a bag of holding, the portable hole does not have a rule for rupturing it from the inside, so RAW the manuever doesn't risk ruining the item. I haven't a clue how the inside of the portable hole is, however.
It can most certainly be done. Creatures don't fill their entire space unless specifically mentioned that they do. Dragons certainly don't.
Squeeze that sucker in the hole. Have your mage cast grease if you need to.
The creature should be able to squeeze into a 5'x10' space, though he portable hole is round..
a 5' by 5' square block would not be able to fit into a 6' diameter hole, it would have to be a bit over 7' in diameter to fit it in. If I am using the squeezing rules to calculate the mathemetical limit you can fit in there a typical large crature would be too big too fit.
I would say a large creature is too big to fit, unless a compelling argument can be made, the portable hole doesnt mention anything about large creatures in the bag which makes me feel like it is not intended to fit.
In other words: Ask the GM.
No. The opening of the bag is too small, whether or not the dragon would fit inside it.
The creature should be able to squeeze into a 5'x10' space, though he portable hole is round..
a 5' by 5' square block would not be able to fit into a 6' diameter hole, it would have to be a bit over 7' in diameter to fit it in. If I am using the squeezing rules to calculate the mathemetical limit you can fit in there a typical large crature would be too big too fit.
I would say a large creature is too big to fit, unless a compelling argument can be made, the portable hole doesnt mention anything about large creatures in the bag which makes me feel like it is not intended to fit.
In other words: Ask the GM.
A human is a medium creature. It requires a 5ft wide hallway to freely move through without penalty in this game. Why? Because medium size creatures require 5ft squares to occupy.
You, a real human person, can very likely run down a 4ft wide hallway without any difficulty, no? How about a 3ft wide one?
Can you squeeze through a 3ft wide opening? 2ft? 1ft?
I work in a building with lots of very tight areas with pipes, ducts, conduits etc. I have to climb and squeeze through areas all the time. I'm 6'4", 180 lbs, and can squeeze through anything that has about a 13" gap.
13" by 9" roughly.
You have any idea how much of a 5' by 5' square that is? Not very much... (1/30th)
A Large creature is much the same. Their actual dimensions are much smaller than their tactical combat space.
A tiger is large. Could you fit a tiger through a six foot diameter?? Yeah, yeah ya could.
The creature should be able to squeeze into a 5'x10' space, though he portable hole is round..
a 5' by 5' square block would not be able to fit into a 6' diameter hole, it would have to be a bit over 7' in diameter to fit it in. If I am using the squeezing rules to calculate the mathemetical limit you can fit in there a typical large crature would be too big too fit.
I would say a large creature is too big to fit, unless a compelling argument can be made, the portable hole doesnt mention anything about large creatures in the bag which makes me feel like it is not intended to fit.
In other words: Ask the GM.
The 5ft square block doesn't fit the circular hole cause of its shape. Squeezing implies changing the shape of the large creature, but that doesn't imply that it becomes box-shaped.
A 6 ft diameter circle is a large area than a 5-ft square, at 28.27 compared to 25 ft^2.
Given that a creature isn't squeezing into a certian pattern, it seem more likely to fit it into the portable whole than through a 5-ft square door.