5ft. step

[stuart haffenden]

Can a creature that is small enough to occupy the same square as another creature use the 5ft. step "non-action" to move into the occupied square?

[Bizbag]

Yes, but moving into an opponent's square provokes AOOs; that is not dependent on whether the movement was a 5' step or a normal move.

[Nefreet]

Just posted this in the other thread, too:

PRD wrote:

Take 5-Foot Step

You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can't take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can't take a 5-foot step in the same round that you move any distance.

You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.

You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can't take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.

You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

Emphasis mine.

"Moving" into another creature's space provokes. Taking a "5 foot step" does not. One is an action, the other is not.

[James Risner]

Nefreet wrote:

PRD wrote:

Take 5-Foot Step

5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity[/b].

+1

5 ftp step into someone else space (say Tiny into Medium) is allowed and does not provoke.

[Ignipotens]

I would say the rules for occupying another square overrule the 5-foot rule.

PRD wrote:

Tiny, Diminutive, and Fine Creatures: Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent. You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally. Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them. You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity. They also can't flank an enemy.

PRD wrote:

Very Small Creature: A Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. The creature provokes attacks of opportunity when doing so.

[Nefreet]

"Never" is a strong word.

The section you are quoting is from the section on "movement" in the CRB. "Movement" and "taking a 5 foot step" are two entirely different things.

[wraithstrike]

The "never" from the 5 foot step is referring to movement. It does not absolve you from being attacked due to other conditions.

As an example if a feat is made that allows you to grapple as part of a 5 ft step, but you dont have improved grapple then you still provoke because of the grapple attempt.

[Nefreet]

Do you have actual examples were "never" was superceded by another amiguously interpreted phrase?

[Ignipotens]

wraithstrike wrote:

The "never" from the 5 foot step is referring to movement. It does not absolve you from being attacked due to other conditions.

As an example if a feat is made that allows you to grapple as part of a 5 ft step, but you dont have improved grapple then you still provoke because of the grapple attempt.

+1 Yes you can move for free and it doesn't provoke. But being in the same square does provoke no matter how you got there.